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Old 01-30-2009 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SkiboyOO7
Anyone else see this on the vacancy notices....

"For the bid month of March 2009, pilot TOWOP
will be offered for the Captain and First Officer positions listed below:
MSP SF3 CA and FO
MSP CRJ200 FO
DTW SF3 CA and FO
MEM SF3 CA and FO"

Guys that have been around for this how long does it take them to put out the furlough memo after something like this?
If there will be one, probably about a week after the TOWOP closes. maybe they will just realign... but seeing how they aren't asking for anyone off the more senior positions (CR2 and CR9 captains) They may be looking at a reduction/furlough. Because by JUST going from Saab captain down they won't be doing multiple displacements like if they reduced anyone off CRJ captain.
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Old 01-30-2009 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJPlt
JR came into my ground school class the day after they announced the 10 CRJ's were going to ASA and said we were 100 fat. 70 over in the Saab and 30 over in the CRJ.

He also said that before they even thought about furloughs they would be offering early retirements, LOA, and would be lowering the lines to 72-75 hours. So this early retirement thing is not a step towards merging airlines it's their response to the excess of pilots we now have. It just took them some time to come up with details of the early retirement...
72-75 hour lines? Please tell me that those figures have to be negotiated and that there is no chance in H3LL that you guys would take that. Talk about yet another pay cut.
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Old 01-30-2009 | 08:01 AM
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Would you rather them furlough a few hundred guys so you can have a 95 hour line?
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Old 01-30-2009 | 08:34 AM
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I think everyone would be in favor of reducing line values in order to save jobs.

I'm just thinking it should be more of a union action then the company.

Unfortunately I'm going to miss the upcoming meeting. But isn't minimizing furloughs on the back of the union and not the company?
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Old 01-30-2009 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Would you rather them furlough a few hundred guys so you can have a 95 hour line?
Unfortunately this is what the regional industry has turned into....
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Old 01-30-2009 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Would you rather them furlough a few hundred guys so you can have a 95 hour line?
I've never had a 95 hour line, or even close for that matter. I'm just saying that there are many ways to mitigate furloughs without bringing the wages of the industry down any further than they already are. COLAs, Part-time lines(for those that bid for them), Voluntary Furloughs.

Curious. Is there any stipulations to your flying privileges on your early out program. Over at Comair, those crew members at 5-10 years get flying bennies, but they are only on Comair and Delta. Not other Delta Connection carriers, or Northwest.
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Old 01-30-2009 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
I've never had a 95 hour line, or even close for that matter. I'm just saying that there are many ways to mitigate furloughs without bringing the wages of the industry down any further than they already are. COLAs, Part-time lines(for those that bid for them), Voluntary Furloughs.

Curious. Is there any stipulations to your flying privileges on your early out program. Over at Comair, those crew members at 5-10 years get flying bennies, but they are only on Comair and Delta. Not other Delta Connection carriers, or Northwest.
The company is in the process right now of offering an early retirement for people with service of 5 years or more, also for the month of March is offering TOWOP (Time off without pay). So, there are things in the works but when your 100 people fat thats a lot of hours and money to cut so the company is doing everything they can right now without having to furlough anyone.
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Old 02-01-2009 | 08:54 AM
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Until we see a VOLUNTARY FURLOUGH notice, I don't forsee furloughs on the horizon. Per the contract, they have to offer those first. Every other time we've had invol furloughs, the voluntary option was the very last thing offered prior to putting folks on the street.
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Old 02-01-2009 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bored
Until we see a VOLUNTARY FURLOUGH notice, I don't forsee furloughs on the horizon. Per the contract, they have to offer those first. Every other time we've had invol furloughs, the voluntary option was the very last thing offered prior to putting folks on the street.
I agree with Bored. It is definitiely way too premature at this point to be discussing furloughs at Mesaba. People seem to be forgetting Mesaba still got 5 more CRJ900s. 100 pilots to fat today can turn into 100 pilot too short in less than a few weeks depending on how things play out by DAL management. And if they do furlough, would furloughing 100 or so pilots justify the cost? I don't know.
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Old 02-01-2009 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
I agree with Bored. It is definitiely way too premature at this point to be discussing furloughs at Mesaba. People seem to be forgetting Mesaba still got 5 more CRJ900s. 100 pilots to fat today can turn into 100 pilot too short in less than a few weeks depending on how things play out by DAL management. And if they do furlough, would furloughing 100 or so pilots justify the cost? I don't know.
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