Crash Courses for the Crew
02-19-2009, 02:55 AM
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Training is expensive, but it can pay off handsomely. The military has show that training can't replace experience, but it can certainly bring pilots up to speed very quickly and much more ahead of their civilian contemporaries with more flight hours.
The recent accident with Colgon might have an icing component to its cause. How many airlines practice icing scenarios in the simulator?
US Airways' curriculum includes a scenario where both engines are lost, but at high altitude, and it typically ends with one engine restarting, Capt. Skinner said. Pilots can't practice water ditching or even off-airport landings in the simulator -- once the airplane hits the ground the system shuts down and has to go through a lengthy reset. Forced landings and water ditching are taught in the classroom, however.
The recent accident with Colgon might have an icing component to its cause. How many airlines practice icing scenarios in the simulator?
02-19-2009, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Romulus
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The recent accident with Colgon might have an icing component to its cause. How many airlines practice icing scenarios in the simulator?
The recent accident with Colgon might have an icing component to its cause. How many airlines practice icing scenarios in the simulator?
Current employer--none of that, although the airplane I'm flying now hasn't had an issue with ice. Or hadn't at the time.
02-19-2009, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Romulus
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Training is expensive, but it can pay off handsomely. The military has show that training can't replace experience, but it can certainly bring pilots up to speed very quickly and much more ahead of their civilian contemporaries with more flight hours.
The recent accident with Colgon might have an icing component to its cause. How many airlines practice icing scenarios in the simulator?
Training is expensive, but it can pay off handsomely. The military has show that training can't replace experience, but it can certainly bring pilots up to speed very quickly and much more ahead of their civilian contemporaries with more flight hours.
The recent accident with Colgon might have an icing component to its cause. How many airlines practice icing scenarios in the simulator?
02-19-2009, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Romulus
Training is expensive, but it can pay off handsomely. The military has show that training can't replace experience, but it can certainly bring pilots up to speed very quickly and [B
Training is expensive, but it can pay off handsomely. The military has show that training can't replace experience, but it can certainly bring pilots up to speed very quickly and [B
much more ahead of their civilian contemporaries with more flight hours.[/B]
The recent accident with Colgon might have an icing component to its cause. How many airlines practice icing scenarios in the simulator?
The recent accident with Colgon might have an icing component to its cause. How many airlines practice icing scenarios in the simulator?
I'm sure every airline practices icing scenarios.
02-19-2009, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AKfreighter
Did you just say that? yeah, its amazing civilians are allowed to fly at all.
I'm sure every airline practices icing scenarios.
I'm sure every airline practices icing scenarios.
Course civie's only have to dodge ice etc. Milly's dodge bullets and worse.
02-20-2009, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ski Patrol
The simulator .... well let's just say it can be reset rather quickly with the push of a button.
Some of the more vigilant sim instructors will pay close attention during V1 cuts etc, with a hand ready on the "flight freeze" button. Much easier to reposition after a flight freeze and debrief, rather than having to do a complete reset after the hydraulics come crashing down.
02-20-2009, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by trent890
Not when the sim thinks you have "crashed" into the ground/terrain or bodies of water! Once it exceeds the proper operating positions for the hydraulic supports, your (Canadian) goose is cooked. The only thing that can get the sim "reset" at that point is a full restart and initialization, often requiring the assistance of a sim tech.
Some of the more vigilant sim instructors will pay close attention during V1 cuts etc, with a hand ready on the "flight freeze" button. Much easier to reposition after a flight freeze and debrief, rather than having to do a complete reset after the hydraulics come crashing down.
Some of the more vigilant sim instructors will pay close attention during V1 cuts etc, with a hand ready on the "flight freeze" button. Much easier to reposition after a flight freeze and debrief, rather than having to do a complete reset after the hydraulics come crashing down.
I've had trouble with the motion on the sim, and software problems on the sim, though. It's usually due to a software problem or a hydraulic leak.
02-20-2009, 08:40 PM
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As far as icing stuff for training. I think it was zero. Then again, the ERJ has an all automated ice system. Probes detect ice, the anti ice turns on by itself, the pilot doesn't do anything. Nice system but no doubt it makes the pilots very complacent to icing.
02-20-2009, 09:25 PM
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Military pilots also hand fly in the soup, deal with emergencies that have lengthy, sequenced memory items, have a myriad of checkrides and constant evaluation.
At my airline I had a double engine-failure scenario that ended in an emergency landing. It might not have been the real deal, but it sure got my blood pressure up! Oh, I greased it on too.
At my airline I had a double engine-failure scenario that ended in an emergency landing. It might not have been the real deal, but it sure got my blood pressure up! Oh, I greased it on too.
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