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be76flyer 06-30-2009 02:56 PM

The second half hit the street June 1st. Word is maybe 60 more.

coldpilot 07-03-2009 07:26 AM

Looks like reserve ATR FO is zeroed out for the next couple of days in all 3 bases. SJU is zeroed out a week in advance. Word from DFW CP is no PVDs during the middle of July. Guess we're waaaaay overstaffed.

Pontius Pilot 07-03-2009 01:02 PM

Ridiculous. Absolutely Ridiculous.

320ToBearz 07-03-2009 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by coldpilot (Post 638961)
Looks like reserve ATR FO is zeroed out for the next couple of days in all 3 bases. SJU is zeroed out a week in advance. Word from DFW CP is no PVDs during the middle of July. Guess we're waaaaay overstaffed.

File a grievance. Violation of Letter 37 Section C.


C. Staffing
The Company will staff a sufficient and adequate number of pilots,
including reserves, to cover all know flying, vacation, training, leaves of
absences, know sick leave, and attrition.

TXav8r13 07-03-2009 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 639161)
File a grievance. Violation of Letter 37 Section C.


Already in the works.

JT8D 07-04-2009 10:45 AM

But what difference will a grievance realistically make? As a result of this they'll recall 4 or 5 people 18 months from now just to throw ALPA a bone and that's all we'll get.

ChickenFlight 07-04-2009 10:56 AM

If you file the grievance and it goes to the Arbitrator level, the company may be forced to actually disclose the reason for the furloughs, which is clearly NOT staffing related. For fear of exposing themselves to further legal action I have a feeling this grievance has a chance of forcing the company to actually staff the airline properly (recalls)

meeko031 07-04-2009 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 639422)
But what difference will a grievance realistically make? As a result of this they'll recall 4 or 5 people 18 months from now just to throw ALPA a bone and that's all we'll get.


Thats 4 or 5 people back to work....May not seem like a big difference for you and I but it maybe a great deal for those who are called back.

be76flyer 07-04-2009 12:59 PM

If you look at the flow plan, in a month or two I don't think we are going to be understaffed on the ATR. I don't think we are going to see any recalls before 2010. Having said that I hope they do recall a few, I know number 1 on the recall list and he is a good guy.

Mason32 07-04-2009 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by ChickenFlight (Post 639428)
If you file the grievance and it goes to the Arbitrator level, the company may be forced to actually disclose the reason for the furloughs, which is clearly NOT staffing related. For fear of exposing themselves to further legal action I have a feeling this grievance has a chance of forcing the company to actually staff the airline properly (recalls)


and just how long have you been watching what AMR does, or doesn't do?

The entire salary for 70 FO's is about 1,680,000 for the year. They spend 30,000,000 just on their lawyers. Do you really think the furlough ever had anything to do with saving money due to overstaffing? It will cost twice that in training cycles alone; if not three times when they are recalled.

As for exposing themselves to legal action, either from the union, or a group of employees; they welcome it. It keeps the Riff-Raff busy.


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