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03-26-2009 | 01:45 PM
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From: A320 starboard... Arrrr
Thats a great answer for the school house. There is school house logic and line logic. There certainly are things that can be overlooked. This sounds bad, but in reality, its the way it is. The system is not perfect but sometimes it is our job to complete the mission. Obviously this is a controversial statement, but its just how it works.
03-26-2009 | 03:24 PM
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I will say I am very skeptical of post #22. I have searched all over ALPA, AEPA, and Googled several excerpts from post #22 and the only thing that comes up is this airlinepilotforums.com post#22. If this information was out yet I think it would be posted and available elsewhere. Plus I am on the ALPA email list and the ALPA emails I received up to today has nothing about furlough.
Not to say furlough isn't imminent, I just dont see any proof to back up AmericanEagleFO's post.
Not to say furlough isn't imminent, I just dont see any proof to back up AmericanEagleFO's post.
03-26-2009 | 04:27 PM
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I will say I am very skeptical of post #22. I have searched all over ALPA, AEPA, and Googled several excerpts from post #22 and the only thing that comes up is this airlinepilotforums.com post#22. If this information was out yet I think it would be posted and available elsewhere. Plus I am on the ALPA email list and the ALPA emails I received up to today has nothing about furlough.
Not to say furlough isn't imminent, I just dont see any proof to back up AmericanEagleFO's post.
Not to say furlough isn't imminent, I just dont see any proof to back up AmericanEagleFO's post.
03-26-2009 | 04:40 PM
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Thats a great answer for the school house. There is school house logic and line logic. There certainly are things that can be overlooked. This sounds bad, but in reality, its the way it is. The system is not perfect but sometimes it is our job to complete the mission. Obviously this is a controversial statement, but its just how it works.
03-26-2009 | 05:02 PM
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From: GV Captain
OK so lets say a window shade is busted. You don't write it up to "complete the mission". You get back to DFW and a passenger comes up to you and informs you he is an FAA safety inspector doing an audit and asks to check the maintenance log. He notices the busted window shade and lack of a write up. Both members of the crew are now SOL. Don't think it can happen to you, think again. It happened to a ORD EMJ crew about a year ago. There is also an F4 message about it now. I know many of the ATR captains in DFW and they are all a bunch of great guys and gal. They all also want to eventually move on to other places. Taking off with a known deficiency no matter how insignificant could hurt their future.
Play with fire and you will get burned.
03-26-2009 | 07:39 PM
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From: ATR
I will say I am very skeptical of post #22. I have searched all over ALPA, AEPA, and Googled several excerpts from post #22 and the only thing that comes up is this airlinepilotforums.com post#22. If this information was out yet I think it would be posted and available elsewhere. Plus I am on the ALPA email list and the ALPA emails I received up to today has nothing about furlough.
Not to say furlough isn't imminent, I just dont see any proof to back up AmericanEagleFO's post.
Not to say furlough isn't imminent, I just dont see any proof to back up AmericanEagleFO's post.
Secondly, what did you think I did, write the letter myself just to get a rise out of you guys? Please don't call me a liar sir, for I am not.
03-26-2009 | 08:01 PM
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From: CRJ FO
OK so lets say a window shade is busted. You don't write it up to "complete the mission". You get back to DFW and a passenger comes up to you and informs you he is an FAA safety inspector doing an audit and asks to check the maintenance log. He notices the busted window shade and lack of a write up. Both members of the crew are now SOL. Don't think it can happen to you, think again. It happened to a ORD EMJ crew about a year ago. There is also an F4 message about it now. I know many of the ATR captains in DFW and they are all a bunch of great guys and gal. They all also want to eventually move on to other places. Taking off with a known deficiency no matter how insignificant could hurt their future.
Or - "I hit it with my Jepps about 30 seconds ago".
How could they prove it was broken previous to that?
If we were to write up every specific little stupid thing then the planes would never fly. No airline would go anywhere. Ontime performance wouldn't exist. There are things you have to chose to ignore. Pick your battles wisely because you can't fight them all.
03-26-2009 | 08:04 PM
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From: CRJ FO
I am vouching for AmericanEagleFO - I received the same email from EGL 83. It is not a fabrication. It was not sent out company wide and was sent personally to 83 people.
03-27-2009 | 08:26 AM
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From: Reclined
The answer to that scenario is "it broke on landing".
Or - "I hit it with my Jepps about 30 seconds ago".
How could they prove it was broken previous to that?
If we were to write up every specific little stupid thing then the planes would never fly. No airline would go anywhere. Ontime performance wouldn't exist. There are things you have to chose to ignore. Pick your battles wisely because you can't fight them all.
Or - "I hit it with my Jepps about 30 seconds ago".
How could they prove it was broken previous to that?
If we were to write up every specific little stupid thing then the planes would never fly. No airline would go anywhere. Ontime performance wouldn't exist. There are things you have to chose to ignore. Pick your battles wisely because you can't fight them all.
Or, you could follow the company policy to the letter like you are being paid to do. Your "assumption" that the planes woudl never go anywhere speaks volumes about your time at 121 airlines. Just because you, and those around you are a bunch of cowboys, don't lump the rest of the profession into that group. There are many who take their job seriously, and do not play managements wink and nod game... those are the ones you should learn from.
I have NEVER heard of a pilot anywhere getting in trouble for writing something up that was broken... while the record books and accident files are full of examples of those who didn't.
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