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Bond 04-05-2009 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by BarbieTrash (Post 591215)
I hope I am wrong as well! Anything more than 66 seats is hazardous to my career progression. It's tough to see Mainline flying chipped away one E-jet at a time...

Amen to that. Nothing would make me happier than Delta integrating Compass, or US airways contractually taking back everything above a 70 seater, or CAL tightening up their scope even more and restricting the number of RJ's and props in the system. We'll see.

SVA402 04-05-2009 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by BarbieTrash (Post 591215)
I hope I am wrong as well! Anything more than 66 seats is hazardous to my career progression. It's tough to see Mainline flying chipped away one E-jet at a time...

This proves that folks are just biased towards E-jets. What about big CRJs? Or ATR-72s? or Q400s? Guess none of those are a problem.

Bond 04-05-2009 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by SVA402 (Post 591232)
This proves that folks are just biased towards E-jets. What about big CRJs? Or ATR-72s? or Q400s? Guess none of those are a problem.

Any prop over 19 seats, or anything with jet engines should be at mainline, how's that? But seeing as they can't take all back at once, they have to start with the biggest. Is the CRJ900 a mainline aircraft? You bet!!! It's a DC9 as far as I'm concerned.

Rightseat Ballast 04-06-2009 03:02 AM

Yes. two RAH certificates have been approved for branded flying. Those approvals are just contingency plans. With Airways and United on ever unstable ground financially, RAH needs a plan for its aircraft should a major partner go away. Independence (ACA branded) came to be only because it lost its contract with United. ExpressJet did branded flying because it lost a significant amount of Continental flying. Neither airline went branded because they thought it was a good idea. They did it because they needed to generate some revenue, even if only enough to prolong the inevitable. RAH would do branded flying under the same circumstances, with the notable exception being Mokulele should RAH choose to assume further control.

RAH management wants 190's, and they are pretty good at getting their way. Labor contracts are merely bumps in the road to them. I have no preference either way at this point. You can tell me that getting 190's at RAH is career suicide, but this is coming from the guys who have watched the mainline job crumble beneath them. Age 65 extended my career at a regional. Mainline weakness in regards to scope has extended my career at a regional. You all make it sound as though I am the one choosing to settle for less and undermine my future, but it has always been the votes of mainline pilots and politicians that have dictated the length of my regional career. I put myself at a regional so that I could be qualified and experienced when the majors needed to fill seats. I am here because I wanted to better my career, to move on. You gave up the seats that I am stuck flying. And until you all at certain majors begin to show the backbone (AMR and CAL have held the scope line pretty well), the only thing I can look forward to is a bigger plane at my company.

contrail67 04-06-2009 03:17 AM


Originally Posted by BarbieTrash (Post 591215)
I hope I am wrong as well! Anything more than 66 seats is hazardous to my career progression. It's tough to see Mainline flying chipped away one E-jet at a time...


Hazardous to your career progression???...Above 66-70 seats will STOP your career progression. 50-70 seats was hazardous to your career progression.
Glad to see an RJ person have some goals though.

CANAM 04-06-2009 05:42 AM

For the sake of future arguments, can everybody please not reference FAs as a source of reference for postings.

xtreme 04-06-2009 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 591284)
Yes. two RAH certificates have been approved for branded flying. Those approvals are just contingency plans. With Airways and United on ever unstable ground financially, RAH needs a plan for its aircraft should a major partner go away. Independence (ACA branded) came to be only because it lost its contract with United. ExpressJet did branded flying because it lost a significant amount of Continental flying. Neither airline went branded because they thought it was a good idea. They did it because they needed to generate some revenue, even if only enough to prolong the inevitable. RAH would do branded flying under the same circumstances, with the notable exception being Mokulele should RAH choose to assume further control.

RAH management wants 190's, and they are pretty good at getting their way. Labor contracts are merely bumps in the road to them. I have no preference either way at this point. You can tell me that getting 190's at RAH is career suicide, but this is coming from the guys who have watched the mainline job crumble beneath them. Age 65 extended my career at a regional. Mainline weakness in regards to scope has extended my career at a regional. You all make it sound as though I am the one choosing to settle for less and undermine my future, but it has always been the votes of mainline pilots and politicians that have dictated the length of my regional career. I put myself at a regional so that I could be qualified and experienced when the majors needed to fill seats. I am here because I wanted to better my career, to move on. You gave up the seats that I am stuck flying. And until you all at certain majors begin to show the backbone (AMR and CAL have held the scope line pretty well), the only thing I can look forward to is a bigger plane at my company.


Enjoy a life of crappy pay flying "big" planes at a crappy regional. That's all I have to say about that.

ImEbee 04-06-2009 06:48 AM

However RAH flies 190's, branded or not, it will be a mainline a/c on a regional payscale!

Aviatormar 04-06-2009 07:29 AM

I mean rightseat ballast, are you kidding? I love it when guys who fly smaller equipment are making more money, and I love that my concessionary contract makes more money then your current contract.

seattlepilot 04-06-2009 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 591284)
Yes. two RAH certificates have been approved for branded flying. Those approvals are just contingency plans. With Airways and United on ever unstable ground financially, RAH needs a plan for its aircraft should a major partner go away. Independence (ACA branded) came to be only because it lost its contract with United. ExpressJet did branded flying because it lost a significant amount of Continental flying. Neither airline went branded because they thought it was a good idea. They did it because they needed to generate some revenue, even if only enough to prolong the inevitable. RAH would do branded flying under the same circumstances, with the notable exception being Mokulele should RAH choose to assume further control.

RAH management wants 190's, and they are pretty good at getting their way. Labor contracts are merely bumps in the road to them. I have no preference either way at this point. You can tell me that getting 190's at RAH is career suicide, but this is coming from the guys who have watched the mainline job crumble beneath them. Age 65 extended my career at a regional. Mainline weakness in regards to scope has extended my career at a regional. You all make it sound as though I am the one choosing to settle for less and undermine my future, but it has always been the votes of mainline pilots and politicians that have dictated the length of my regional career. I put myself at a regional so that I could be qualified and experienced when the majors needed to fill seats. I am here because I wanted to better my career, to move on. You gave up the seats that I am stuck flying. And until you all at certain majors begin to show the backbone (AMR and CAL have held the scope line pretty well), the only thing I can look forward to is a bigger plane at my company.

awesome points...


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