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Old 04-26-2009 | 03:54 PM
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I think Eagle mgmt would have a hard time finding a pilot named "SayAgainOver" on the seniority list.
spell it backwards and translate it into latin...take the letters and assign them a number and that'll be his employee number
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Old 04-26-2009 | 04:02 PM
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I was having a conversation this week with a furloughed Continental guy. We're both on furlough, and our former union "brothers" are still picking up open time. Now that's solidarity right there. I fail to see how this is any better than what many on this forum accuse GJ pilots of. You are taking someone else's work. The company doesn't care if they're understaffed because they know there are guys out there that'll pick up the flying. I certainly hope Eagle sticks together better than Comair or Continental.
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Old 04-26-2009 | 04:31 PM
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I'm not trying to flame here, but I would pick up open time with guys on the street. Companies use mathematical formulas to base their reserve needs. Number of lines, block hours, expected increases and percent requirements are just a few things that get thrown in the mix. The stress level of the schedulers is not gonna change numbers used from historical data. Most airlines have furloughed before and have a good idea of what kind of block hours will get guys back, again they look at all that stuff before they make the decision to drop F-bombs.

Getting furloughed sucks, but ask any seasoned airline pilot, its part of the job. When you have a job you aren't promised more than guarantee and just like millions of other Americans, when times are hard you may lose your job. At least you have a spot at the company waiting for you when things pick up.
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Old 04-26-2009 | 04:39 PM
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I personally don't believe in picking up OT. I have only done it under a few circumstances and pulled it from ppl putting it up for a drop request. I only like to help out fellow pilots not the company. If there are some egl guys that must do it. I would pick it up from ppl who wanted it dropped not the OT from the company.
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Old 04-26-2009 | 04:44 PM
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Yes it is true the company makes staffing projections based on many things, including how much OT pilots fly. If nobody picks up OT and flights are being canceled due to staffing then you can bet your butt they will recall pilots to cover trips in the busiest travel season of the year.
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Old 04-26-2009 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
His response is correct.I tell my Fo's do what it takes to survive.
Originally Posted by duvie
I'm not trying to flame here, but I would pick up open time with guys on the street.
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Getting furloughed sucks, but ask any seasoned airline pilot, its part of the job. When you have a job you aren't promised more than guarantee and just like millions of other Americans, when times are hard you may lose your job. At least you have a spot at the company waiting for you when things pick up.
Yeah, do what it takes to survive... everyone has needs..... everyone except the folks who get furloughed


Seems to me, picking up open time with folks on the street is Scab-Light.
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Old 04-26-2009 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptKrunch
I understand a organized sick out or such being seen as a work action, but I fail to see how pilots asking pilots not to pick up EXTRA WORK is. However no matter how much people say that picking up open time is evil people will still do it. If we could get everyone to stop that is one thing but MOST will not.

The courts have held that ANY change in the "status quo" is a job action. One famous case involved mainline AA IIRC...be very careful fooling with AMR.

This includes organized efforts to change voluntary, non-contractual behavior such as picking up open time. Basically the company is entitled to expect that the labor group will keep doing what it has always done, unless released by the NMB for self-help.

This would include an organized effort to not use personal cell phones.

I'm not saying bend over for management, but be aware of potential consequences and be very careful.

Also, your union will violently oppose any rogue actions...because your union WILL be held liable for damages to the company if any subset of it's labor group conducts rogue actions.
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Old 04-26-2009 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
I think Eagle mgmt would have a hard time finding a pilot named "SayAgainOver" on the seniority list.
If you don't think there is past history of airline management taking legal action against website forums to reveal identity, then you need some education.

It has been done. I was just looking out for him, that's all.

As it stands now, AMR could find his identity and they could choose to persue it and if they did, not only would his Eagle job be through, but with a termination on his resume for THIS reason, his airline career is toast.

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Old 04-26-2009 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
This includes organized efforts to change voluntary, non-contractual behavior such as picking up open time. Basically the company is entitled to expect that the labor group will keep doing what it has always done, unless released by the NMB for self-help.
This would include an organized effort to not use personal cell phones.

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Does anyone ELSE see a major problem with this?
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Old 04-26-2009 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH

Seems to me, picking up open time with folks on the street is Scab-Light.
I dont think you know what a scab is sonny boy.
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