Proud to say I've never once picked up OT... at $24/hr its just not worth it

Take THAT Eagle management!!

 

I am not picking up a single hour of OT as long as people are furloughed. And further, I am actively chastising anyone who does. If you need OT to survive then you picked the wrong job (that's not a joke).

I don't go out of my way to stick it to crew scheduling but it is THEIR responsibilty to make sure staffing is adequate. Yes we are on the same team in the end but that means that they have to pull their own weight. I believe when bases are consistently short then the company will recall pilots.

I believe management made horrible decisions regarding staffing starting with the Saab retirements and this furlough issue is just the next chapter in the mismanagement saga.

The company has alot bigger problems than chasing down pilot identities on forums to make an example of them. Put yourselves in the position of those guys/gals getting furloughed. If you can do something to get them back even a month sooner it's worth it.

 

Rumors of more furloughs? I thought there was more flying coming your way for the summer months? Plus the 40/60 hour lines can be increased or decreased on demand. Why would they furlough more?

 

There may be a major problem with how courts are interpreting the law, but not with rickair's correct report about it. We had a similar situation at Delta some years back, and the court sided with management. The other side of this coin is that management cannot suddenly start enforcing company rules that they have customarily overlooked, in order to pressure workers. That would also be a change in the "status quo".

 

We know they are understaffed. We also know that they know it. They are junior manning and extending like crazy. There is nothing in your manual that says you have to answer your phone when they call on a day off. IN FACT, the regs read that time off is free of duty or responsibility. Answering when they call is a duty or responsibility.

Above that, has anyone ever heard of a furlough where the company denied voluntary furlough or a leave of absence? At first it was minimum one year, then two years, as they 'wanted to make sure you didn't just come back in 30 days' and now they are denied? Something is up. I am sure it is unrelated to the APA negotiations.

It is simple not to pick up OT. You have been living without it anyway in most bases since it hasn't been available. If this was a furlough due to financial reasons and line cuts, I MIGHT (read: still would not) see the point in picking up OT with people on the streets. But this is clearly something political and we are being used as the pawns in a game of airline chess. Personally, I won't pick up a bit of OT and my phone isn't getting answered on a weekend.

 

Open Time equals OVER TIME I doubt any Airline can take action against a pilot group because they choose to refuse open time, IT wont HOLD UP IN COURT.

On another note there are people who will always Pick up open time regardless of fellow pilots loosing their Jobs. This is the reason as a Profession we cant get anything done WE ARE OUR OWN worst ENEMY.

 

Wasn't this done at UAL, who successfully bent ALPA over in court ?

 

Nope totally different

United asked for an injunction in federal court that seeked to restrain the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) and several pilots from engaging in "unlawful job actions" that the airline says has resulted in hundreds of cancellations," the Chicago Tribune reports. The Associated Press says "the injunction request accuses (ALPA) of encouraging a sick-out, which is not allowed under the Railway Labor Act, the labor law governing airlines. It also said pilots were refusing to pick up extra flying." United’s injunction request claims "ALPA's communications are essentially a guide describing how to use sick leave inappropriately."

NO ONE IS ASKING FOR A SICKOUT AT EAGLE just NOT to Pick up OPEN TIME


http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...42.blog&csp=34

 

Actively chastising? I'm not one of them but I bet many of the people that will be picking up OT are used to the 85 hour lines that we had last year and are picking it up to maintain QOL. How about the downgraded CAs that upped their lifestyle with the paycheck? Was is a poor choice on their part to change their lifestyle to suit CA pay while still so junior? Probably, but now they have to make ends meet. Does it suck for the guys on the street? Yeah, but chastising guys isn't going to change their minds.

I disagree. It is not the responsibility of scheduling to properly staff the airline. However, it is their responsibility to cover open flights with the crews that are available. It's not their fault they are being short changed and have to JM people. That decision most likely came from a manager that has nothing to do with staffing the flights.

I agree. Parking the SAAB was the worst thing they could have done. Look at the mess we have now in DFW. Surprisingly it has been better this month as far a MX goes. Most likely just a fluke month though.

I agree with doing whatever we can to get them back on the street sooner as long as it is not an illegal job action, such as what was posted at the beginning of the thread. ALPA has been very diligent in trying to mitigate furloughs since the stuff hit the fan last summer. Unfortunately this time around management doesn't want to play nice. I think something fishy is going on with this whole thing as well.

 

Right......they went after SPECIFIC pilots for not only the sick use issue, but refusing to work overtime. At least one's termination was upheld. When a specific pilot publicly disseminates a declaration (anonymous as it is) that advocates action against an airline in retaliation for layoffs of other pilots, the airline (if it chooses to) can take legal action to obtain the identity of that pilot for the purpose of disciplinary action.

I'm sorry, but I think if AMR wants to make an issue of this, this guys weenie is in a ringer and they'll have no problem legally obtaining his identity and upholding his termination in a greivance hearing.