1. I would rather fly a two or three day trip and get my 13 hours of pay plus perdiem than work 50 hours a week at sonic at $7 an hour over a week. This just makes sense to me. In the end I'll get to spend more time with my family.

2. Morally, we are talking about jobs per capita, at least I am. I will conceed that working OT does make the required jobs at an airline less, but keep in mind one would be making the required jobs per capita one less by picking up a second job. So, by looking at the larger picture you will see that we are talking about jobs per capita.

3. I tell you I make less money and you tell me "all the more reason NOT to work overtime". This doesn't make sense to me. I guess you were elluding to me getting a second job, but as my previous point proves this would be futile. We are going to take away from those furloughed somehow. <--- Sorry for those of you that actually were furloughed from eagle. I need that overtime to make up for the difference between jet and turbo-prop pay.

4. To be clear, I never work overtime to help the company, I would work it in order to help my family. I would agree that we don't need to be picking up OT unless we really need it. Also, to be clear, I have only picked up OT once and it cancled before I even left the house so in a way I've never worked OT, just got paid for it once.

5. I'm not talking about flying faster than planned, I'm talking about flying the a/c as the company has asked us to. You would be correct by saying that flying slower does reduce fuel burn, but it isn't our job to decide what the ideal fuel burn should be for a particular flight. Eagle hires people a lot smarter than me to calculate this and many other financial figures for our flights. I don't pretend to know what is better for the company.

6. I never questioned your work history. I was reffering to when we were BOTH children and wanted to be big fancy airline pilots. This would insinuate that you were not an airline pilot yet, hence you weren't here either.

7. A blanket statement that I should have been more clear about. Most all of the captains I've flown with were very respectable. Especially on the ATR side. Only a small few have shown to be otherwise. I was more or less referring to those newer FOs like me who are still trying to figure out the system and it's delicate balance. Instead of trying to do anything and everything to be helpful to the industry, many just want to blame others for their problems. One of the best things about Eagle is that our captains have been in this industry for quite a while. A point I was well aware of when I applied. I knew I wasn't going to get a 2 year upgrade here, thank goodness. You are right though and I will say it again, MANY of the pilots I've flown with were very honorable. I also conceed that I may be whining a little, but what else are we doing with this entire topic. I am only 2 posts out of 60.

8. I was well aware of the staffing issues at American, but I was hired at American Eagle. Different company with different pilots, well some are different. I didn't find the wealth of information on these boards until after I had applied. I wasn't expecting a whole lot in the first place though.

9. Not the Kool-aid, this statement is based off a strong moral raising and an education in business. I'm not really a fan of Kool-aid.

10. I agree. Picking up overtime just to help the company with their own staffing issues does eliminate required jobs. They put themselves in this situation, let them figure out how to solve it. I'm solely talking about picking up OT for personal needs.

11. Never said I agree with their business model, I'm just talking about basic business theory. They are going to take those bonuses until we go bankrupt, so the only way to stay out of that pit is to do our best to make this company money, while doing it safely and professionally.


I'm not resorting to name calling, cutting remarks, or rude comments. I want to keep this as professional as possible. After all, you aren't going to change my mind by making fun of me. If you really wanted to change my mind you would stick to the facts and stay emotionally un-involved. I'm glad we are having this back and forth, it helps me decide what is right and wrong. I never said I was always right. I am sure there are many on these boards that have something to teach me. Thats why I choose to post, so that in turn I can learn from others. Lets stay on topic and away from the insults. You've got one more post to change my mind. After that I am going to agree to disagree and cease these posts out of respect for other readers.

 

Who cares. I was awarded 15hrs for next month!. I can easily get 5 or 6 more!

 

this is really intense...too much reading...anyways forget it all...BBQ my house everyday this summer!

 

don't tell a bunch of starving pilots with travel privelidges that you'll feed us. We might take you up on it LOL. Nice status thatsaid. I vote for a topic change. I am reminded of a proverb, "better to me thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." My facebook status says that if I argue on the Internet and win does that still make me a loser. I've had many replies confirming this is true LOL.

 

Heh, i was just sitting here thinking how i wish someone would have picked up the repo flight i got assigned. Its been sitting in open time for at least a week and makes great OT but horrible for reserve.

 

alright alright, here's a good one. Talk amongst the rank and file is that the 2nd group, those being furloughed on June 1st, might not get furloughed. Apparently staffing numbers are tight as it is.

This might just be another observation by someone on SABRE and they feel that this is what will happen but who knows.

Today is my last day with Eagle before the furlough. I picked up OT!!! GAHHHHH Just a short little YUL turn to get one last try at flying the thing.

To me the furlough was inevitable. When everyone else in the neighborhood is having a garage sale its only a matter of time before your boss wants to have one. The past year has been pretty hectic yet always entertaining for me. I understand this whole paying your dues thing but no matter who you are sitting S-1 day after day or sitting in your crashpad on RAP never getting called and flying 5 hours a month is no way to live no matter who you are. This is probably rock bottom or close to it so things can only get better. When that will be and how fast? Who knows.

People will pick up OT and you know what? Let them. Management will not recall me because there is too much open time. They'll just build another composite line or something. They'll recall me because available pilots day to day will be low and when bad wx strikes they'll really be in a pickle.

I'm fortunate because I never really left my old flying job and am right back in it. The Mrs. also has a decent paying job that'll help out. We shall see.

 

We all could use a sugar momma!

 

It can get old after a while, but sure beats being furlough.Dont fool yourself...

 

The whole "paying your dues" phrase is bull**** because its really a relative thing. Someone that has gone through multiple furloughs and divorce might have a different perspective then the guy that was at Skywest for 5 years then went to Southwest and been on reserve for a total of 5 months...

If you can exactly quantify "paying your dues" I might buy into the phrase, otherwise it ****es me off.

It really boils down to choices and consequences, not "deserve," not "justice" and not "dues."

 

If AmericanEagleFO is a typical American Eagle pilot, your union is screwed Mason.