Originally Posted by Dan64456

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Is College a Scam?
July 6, 2007 by Sean Kelly
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(FranchisePick.Com) My post Wise Up! Skip College. Buy a Franchise! provoked some strong reactions, most notably from those whose meager livelihood depends on the perpetuation of the myth of the college diploma as a good investment. Few scam victims are willing to come forward, so the myth goes on.
Benjamin Welch wrote an earnest, though misguided, response to my post called College Degrees: What’s Their Real Value? Since Ben “has been a college instructor in writing and composition for nearly six years,” he knows the myth better than anyone. Ben, I was a “college instructor in writing and composition” too. I was teaching 130 students during the week and playing drinking songs at an Irish pub Fridays & Saturday nights. Guess which job payed more?
Ben claims “any pundits who claim, sarcastically or not, that a college just isn’t worth the trouble or the money, are in error.” He uses two common fallacies to support this contention: that “some people have succeeded without degrees, but they belong to a small minority,” and that those with college degrees earn more than a million extra bucks because of their magic diplomas.
A small minority of successful people lack college degrees? Who’s been “smoking doobies down by the river” Ben? In 2003, the percentage of Forbes 400 members without college degrees was 33%. That’s a small minority? The average net worth of a Forbes 400 member without college degree: $2.27 billion. With a degree: $2.13 billion.
But the real sleight-of-hand parlor trick is the statement that those with college diplomas earn “$30,000 more annually than someone with only a high school diploma. Over the course of a working lifetime, that’s more than million dollars.”
Hmmm… If the average income of Beluga caviar consumers is $500K annually, does that mean that if I eat whale eggs weekly I’ll earn $500K? Where’s proof of cause and effect? College-goers are more likely to be white, privileged, better-educated and probably (as a group) smarter than those who don’t go to college. They’d be no less white, privileged, better-educated and probably (as a group) smarter without their degrees. Can diploma apologists contend, with a straight face, that people like Warren Buffett, Ralph Lauren, Steven Spielberg, Donald Trump, Oprah, and Martha Stewart would not have achieved their success without their degrees?
To correct Mr. Welch’s well-crafted, but misguided, conclusion: ”In the final analysis, the grounds for [defending] the worth of a college degree are based either on poor math or logical fallacies — two errors, ironically, that a college education is supposed to correct.”
WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS A COLLEGE DEGREE NECESSARY FOR SUCCESS? ISN’T A FRANCHISE A BETTER INVESTMENT?

Originally Posted by Dan64456

Perhaps this will open your minds a little.


Is College a Scam? : Franchise Pick - Picking the Perfect Franchise

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Is College a Scam?
July 6, 2007 by Sean Kelly
Filed under x General
24 Comments
(FranchisePick.Com) My post Wise Up! Skip College. Buy a Franchise! provoked some strong reactions, most notably from those whose meager livelihood depends on the perpetuation of the myth of the college diploma as a good investment. Few scam victims are willing to come forward, so the myth goes on.
Benjamin Welch wrote an earnest, though misguided, response to my post called College Degrees: What’s Their Real Value? Since Ben “has been a college instructor in writing and composition for nearly six years,” he knows the myth better than anyone. Ben, I was a “college instructor in writing and composition” too. I was teaching 130 students during the week and playing drinking songs at an Irish pub Fridays & Saturday nights. Guess which job payed more?
Ben claims “any pundits who claim, sarcastically or not, that a college just isn’t worth the trouble or the money, are in error.” He uses two common fallacies to support this contention: that “some people have succeeded without degrees, but they belong to a small minority,” and that those with college degrees earn more than a million extra bucks because of their magic diplomas.
A small minority of successful people lack college degrees? Who’s been “smoking doobies down by the river” Ben? In 2003, the percentage of Forbes 400 members without college degrees was 33%. That’s a small minority? The average net worth of a Forbes 400 member without college degree: $2.27 billion. With a degree: $2.13 billion.
But the real sleight-of-hand parlor trick is the statement that those with college diplomas earn “$30,000 more annually than someone with only a high school diploma. Over the course of a working lifetime, that’s more than million dollars.”
Hmmm… If the average income of Beluga caviar consumers is $500K annually, does that mean that if I eat whale eggs weekly I’ll earn $500K? Where’s proof of cause and effect? College-goers are more likely to be white, privileged, better-educated and probably (as a group) smarter than those who don’t go to college. They’d be no less white, privileged, better-educated and probably (as a group) smarter without their degrees. Can diploma apologists contend, with a straight face, that people like Warren Buffett, Ralph Lauren, Steven Spielberg, Donald Trump, Oprah, and Martha Stewart would not have achieved their success without their degrees?
To correct Mr. Welch’s well-crafted, but misguided, conclusion: ”In the final analysis, the grounds for [defending] the worth of a college degree are based either on poor math or logical fallacies — two errors, ironically, that a college education is supposed to correct.”
WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS A COLLEGE DEGREE NECESSARY FOR SUCCESS? ISN’T A FRANCHISE A BETTER INVESTMENT?

Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon

No flying experience, network job or.......well, any job I've had to this day could even touch that feeling of accomplishment to me. But I value the degree more as it has opened far more opportunities than I could remember, let alone list.

Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon

Dan,

I could pick this apart in a major way but I'll just make a couple blanket statements. This person makes some very, very strong assumptions and concludes them as statement of fact.

That is something that would have had a great chance of being corrected had they attended a facility of higher learning.

The first rule of published stats or polls is that it only represents what the author, publisher or presenter WANTS them to represent.

His repeated statements on franchise investment sure sounds like a salesman of some sort to me. He speaks as if EVERY person should conclude of future of college or franchise investment with 100% ROI, beautiful kids and a 4000 square foot house.

Beyond rediculous.

Look, I was a Novell / MS network engineer in a past life as well with more miles in wires ran, and boxes built, than should be humanly possible and can relate to the hard work, patience and dedication it took to achive success and satisfaction. However, nothing......and I mean NOTHING has fullfilled that feeling of satisfaction more than finishing a 4 year curriculum that required nothing less than EVERYTHING I had mentally to complete.

No flying experience, network job or.......well, any job I've had to this day could even touch that feeling of accomplishment to me. But I value the degree more as it has opened far more opportunities than I could remember, let alone list.

Originally Posted by watchyouralt

I could train a monkey to takeoff and land. I dont know though if I could teach him algebra, calculus, physics, or history even.

Pilot with a degree = professional

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever

You know, while many of us decide to get our degrees at a later date, I'm currently starting mine (actually to be correct Im returning to finish it), I think your blatent devaluation of the skillset that all professional pilots train for is just wrong. I agree that a college education is something to aspire to, but do you realize you basically just dismissed your fellow pilots as well as yourself as if we were all little more than trained monkeys...You have shown you are little different than many other pilots whos attitude is "I'm better than you because..(enter your choice here)"



I wonder would you have been able to create the sentence structure required to make such an assinine statement without your BS..., I was of course refering to your degree..what did you think I meant

Originally Posted by jeforte

Only in this industry would one argue against going to a higher learning institution. Ironically, the OP attended himself, but stopped after his 2 yr degree (for whatever reason). He called college a waste of time, but yet he gave it a shot, and was unsuccessful as a whole. That very fact in itself, makes him a biased source, therefore his opinion holds no water.

A B.S. has nothing to do with being a professional. Professionalism cant be taught in a classroom. It's something that is observed, learned, and hopefully practiced. It shows that one is capable of learning in many different areas, rather than a limited one. It can be compared to a type rating in a sense. Having a King Air type does nothing for a hypothetical Citation job one is seeking, but it shows that the individual is "type-able", and will more than likely be successful with future aviation endeavors.

I do declare, that many on this site argue just for the sake of argument itself. If that's the case ladies and gentlemen, you are sadly fighting an un-winnable battle. I mean, are we being serious here?

Originally Posted by alvrb211

Really? Why didn't your father talk you out of going to college years ago?
Why didn't you elect avoid it yourself?
Al