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Old 05-06-2009 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan64456
Another point I might add...

My work experience put me in NUMEROUS situations where the success or failure of hundreds, or thousands of other people depended upon MY success or failure alone. You just don't get that kind of pressure in college. All of the kids that are like "OH MY GOD college is(or was) soooooo stressful!" have no idea what that kind of pressure is like. THAT cannot be replaced or substituted by a degree of any kind.

I'm not sure what kind of "pressure" you're refering to. But, evidently you don't agree with the policy of many large corporations around the world.

They want both experience and academic achievements. They want it all. And, why shouldn't they? It's possible to earn big $$$ in this game and they want well educated individuals.

Are you aware that many positions require graduate degrees?
Think that's a scam too?

Just be glad you can gain recognition in this field after just 4 years of college.

Sorry you don't like it but that's the way it is!

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Old 05-06-2009 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan64456
Another point I might add...

My work experience put me in NUMEROUS situations where the success or failure of hundreds, or thousands of other people depended upon MY success or failure alone. You just don't get that kind of pressure in college. All of the kids that are like "OH MY GOD college is(or was) soooooo stressful!" have no idea what that kind of pressure is like. THAT cannot be replaced or substituted by a degree of any kind.

Dude! You seriously have a chip on your shoulder and an obvious inferiority complex. Trust me when I say that nobody cares whether you attended, attend, or plan not to attend college. I think most of us are posting about the positive aspects of attending college. I have not heard anyone yet imply that those who do not attend college have chosen to waste their life and will accomplish nothing. You, on the other hand, do not miss a single opportunity to label college as a complete waste of time. I wonder if you see how completely irrational your being. Regardless, I have serious doubt now whether you really earned your associates degree. I can't imagine anyone who, after completing a degree program, would so vigorously deny its merit. Now that I think about it, your right. You absolutely wasted your time and money.
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Old 05-06-2009 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDashRocks
All of this has already occurred while I studied at the FAA Academy, graduated while over 50% of my classmates washed out, completed training at LA Center while another 60-70% washed out. It continued as I earned PPL, I-A, CMSEL, CFI, AGI, IGI, CFII, CMEL, MEI, and Part 141 Chief Flight Instructor certifications while working a 40+ hour a week job.
Are you seriously touting that you "earned" an AGI and IGI. I don't think taking the Flight Instructor/Instrument Instructor written, again, and having the FAA sign your 8710 qualifies as "earning" a certificate. You realize that aside from endorsing people for writtens in a different category, they are quite useless when held in conjuction with a Flight Instructor Certificate. Your not even required to hold a pilot certificate to obtain these "certificates".
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Old 05-06-2009 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
Are you seriously touting that you "earned" an AGI and IGI. I don't think taking the Flight Instructor/Instrument Instructor written, again, and having the FAA sign your 8710 qualifies as "earning" a certificate. You realize that aside from endorsing people for writtens in a different category, they are quite useless when held in conjuction with a Flight Instructor Certificate. Your not even required to hold a pilot certificate to obtain these "certificates".
Those AGI and IGI were among the easier that I earned. I am proud of all of the certificates that I have earned, most of which I studied and training for while performing a demanding 40+ hour per week job. This is on a par with the work required to earn a 4 year degree.
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Old 05-06-2009 | 05:58 PM
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My $.02

College is a fantastic experience, and big aviation schools suck. In a nutshell.

Find a good State school, and the value for your dollar is terrific. You'll meet great (and not so great) people, learn how to think for yourself, and still "test fly" the real-world while in a somewhat nurturing environment.

And of course, there is something to be said about the education gleaned from a job out of High School. But in todays world, that will only get you so far...I can attest to that - I had 3 years of school behind me, but no degree to show for it (I had left mid-semester hoping for an Airline gig)...I couldn't get the time of day from most employers until I came back with an expected graduation date.

Remember kids, don't be a fool - stay in school...
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Old 05-06-2009 | 06:32 PM
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Congrats on your graduation
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Old 05-06-2009 | 06:32 PM
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[quote=alvrb211;606407]

The delusions of grandeur thing and my study of mixology was a joke.

Upon completion of upper level physics, you certainly will be better qualified to make decisions on meteorological issues and aircraft performance. Maybe climatology knowledge that isn't in the FAA sylabus will help when your enroute to Tokyo and the Kurosiwo/Oyasiwo current is a factor on the approach.

There are two L's in syllabus. Your theory about the advantage in decision-making when armed with class room learning about advanced physics, etc, sounds like the kind of fluff aviation colleges fill catalogs with to create a four year aviation degree. The real improvement in decision-making comes from experience.

The most demanding theory exam in flight training (at least in the US) would be the FAA ATP Written. It's a very easy exam. I'm sure it happens but, I've never heard of anyone actually having trouble with it! I saw many people drop out of training but certainly not because they had trouble with the written exams!
On the other hand, I’ve seen many people fail exams in University. Perhaps that's because they are much tougher!

Is the ATP written easy before or after you study for it? The written is a fraction of what is required to earn any certificate.

Alternate explanation; The college flunkies are spoiled brats burning the parent's money without a care in the world while the flight students are paying for their own training and more dedicated to their own success.

...are you able to convince others that your "other" qualifications are "on a par" with 4 years successful study at university? That's a tall order anywhere in the world....So, you wanna convince an employer that a highschool diploma is adequate preparation for a demanding and highly lucrative career?

I might be able to convince someone willing to look beyond paper requirements. I am not saying that college is not worthwhile or that degrees are easy to earn. I am saying that there are many demanding things in life. A college degree is not a guarantee of intelligence, diligence, or character. A lack of a degree is not a lack of any of these three.

You are gonna have a hard sell trying to convince others that a degree is of little worth.

I never said that. All that I have said is that in life I have accomplished things requiring at least as much brain power, study, and commitment as a four year degree.
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Old 05-06-2009 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bryris
Ooooooo...you got me.
you're right, I did.
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Old 05-06-2009 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
Congrats on your graduation
Thanks! It's been a long time coming...and an incredible juggling act with work, but I've pulled it off...with honors nonetheless

And to play devils-advocate for TheDashRocks (or whispers??), wasn't it Einstein that dropped out of school? He was pretty smart I think LoL. And what about that movie about John Nash - didn't he say something to the effect that "classes will numb your mind?"

But for most of us laymen, I'm still a believer in education haha...
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Old 05-06-2009 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Thanks! It's been a long time coming...and an incredible juggling act with work, but I've pulled it off...with honors nonetheless

And to play devils-advocate for TheDashRocks (or whispers??), wasn't it Einstein that dropped out of school? He was pretty smart I think LoL. And what about that movie about John Nash - didn't he say something to the effect that "classes will numb your mind?"

But for most of us laymen, I'm still a believer in education haha...
If people are willing to bet that they are the next Einstein or Gates - more power to them. I'll play the odds on this one. Education is an investment.

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