ASA Performance+ Payout
05-08-2009 | 09:18 AM
#21
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From: Captain, CRJ-200, ASA
At ASA, when the pilot group finally got fed up with management's games, they did a safety campaign and brought the company to their knees within a month (September 07). The contract followed soon thereafter. So tell me again when you guys are going to get fed up and stand up for yourselves.
anyway my point was this. about 3 years ago the company came to our pilot group and offered to raise fo pay. the reason behind it was that people were coming here, getting some time, and then going to better regionals. this was killing the company. so you would think all of us that were fo's would have loved the 10 dollar an hour raise and would have jumped all over the money. sure it helped the company out some but we would have been glad to go from 24 bucks an hour to 34 overnight. that would have just been good business for management, right? Instead we told managament that unless that raise comes with an entirely new contract then no thanks. it didn't. we didn't get the raise. and things have not changed for us. we are at the 5 year mark now.
ASA went throught he same thing. Now there is a new contract at asa and about 80 pilots on the street. They read these boards too. they are anxious to get back to work and to have a job once again so they can support their families. I just think its a little harsh that some of you on here are talking about the bonuses you are getting and that you all promise to work extra hard this summer because of it, while there are guys on the street who dont have jobs, let alone a bonus. sorry if you all feel that i am "butting" in to your business.. (because none of you all have ever commented on pinnacle before right?) but it just upsets me a little to see you all celebrating while there are guys who moved to atlanta for the job and now have nothing. So take your bonus and work extra hard this summer, just dont wave it in the face of your uneployed brothers.
ASA went throught he same thing. Now there is a new contract at asa and about 80 pilots on the street. They read these boards too. they are anxious to get back to work and to have a job once again so they can support their families. I just think its a little harsh that some of you on here are talking about the bonuses you are getting and that you all promise to work extra hard this summer because of it, while there are guys on the street who dont have jobs, let alone a bonus. sorry if you all feel that i am "butting" in to your business.. (because none of you all have ever commented on pinnacle before right?) but it just upsets me a little to see you all celebrating while there are guys who moved to atlanta for the job and now have nothing. So take your bonus and work extra hard this summer, just dont wave it in the face of your uneployed brothers.
As for the furloughees, I feel badly for them, but unfortunately, that's life in this industry. We all faced that threat when we were new. Some are lucky, some are not. It's time we stop framing every single issue in terms of WWAFD (What Would A Furloughee Do?). It's getting old.
05-08-2009 | 10:07 AM
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You are again showing your ignorance and low time in the industry.
At ASA, when the pilot group finally got fed up with management's games, they did a safety campaign and brought the company to their knees within a month (September 07). The contract followed soon thereafter. So tell me again when you guys are going to get fed up and stand up for yourselves.
Nobody's celebrating nor rubbing anything in anyone's faces. We're pointing out the fact that management did the right thing, without being asked to nor forced to. That is all.
As for the furloughees, I feel badly for them, but unfortunately, that's life in this industry. We all faced that threat when we were new. Some are lucky, some are not. It's time we stop framing every single issue in terms of WWAFD (What Would A Furloughee Do?). It's getting old.
At ASA, when the pilot group finally got fed up with management's games, they did a safety campaign and brought the company to their knees within a month (September 07). The contract followed soon thereafter. So tell me again when you guys are going to get fed up and stand up for yourselves.
Nobody's celebrating nor rubbing anything in anyone's faces. We're pointing out the fact that management did the right thing, without being asked to nor forced to. That is all.
As for the furloughees, I feel badly for them, but unfortunately, that's life in this industry. We all faced that threat when we were new. Some are lucky, some are not. It's time we stop framing every single issue in terms of WWAFD (What Would A Furloughee Do?). It's getting old.
So look at what you said. In the beginning you had to do illegal union activity (no other way to put it when you say you brought the company to their knees) and then all the sudden you commend that same management for doing the right thing? Whats really great is you have a cool new catch phrase for all the people out there. WWAFD. At least you got yours, who cares WWAFD!!
Any way i am glad things are going good over there. I hope the furlough guys find jobs or get their old jobs back. I would like to think that pinnacle will either get to go on strike this year, or get a contract signed but i am not holding my breath (and i am not responsible for the brakes either). so since we are going around in circles i hope you have a good one and we will talk again some other time on a different subject.
05-09-2009 | 07:13 AM
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From: Captain, CRJ-200, ASA
now you are resulting to personal attacks? Its so hard to have a discussion on here without someone going down that path. the only thing you know about me is that i am a pinnacle fo. You do know we have lots of fo's here who were captains at some of the majors right? We even have a couple of retired Fedex captains flying as fo's here. So just because someone is an fo doesn't mean they are ignorant and have low time in the industry. I mean you were an fo once right?
So look at what you said. In the beginning you had to do illegal union activity (no other way to put it when you say you brought the company to their knees) and then all the sudden you commend that same management for doing the right thing? Whats really great is you have a cool new catch phrase for all the people out there. WWAFD. At least you got yours, who cares WWAFD!!
Now you made a personal attack on me with the "I got mine comment", which is untrue. See, you do exactly what you accuse me of. I was a union representative. I spent 6 years as an FO. I spoke loudly against furloughing. I worked to get the furloughees financial relief through a private fund while ALPA wrapped them in red tape. What have YOU done for your pilot group?
Any way i am glad things are going good over there. I hope the furlough guys find jobs or get their old jobs back. I would like to think that pinnacle will either get to go on strike this year, or get a contract signed but i am not holding my breath (and i am not responsible for the brakes either). so since we are going around in circles i hope you have a good one and we will talk again some other time on a different subject.
05-09-2009 | 07:36 AM
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From: 9K CA
I vote for closing this thread. Not constructive at all.
As for the furloughees, of which I am one, yeah it sucks but like many have said before: that's how it works in this industry. Would I like to go back? Yup. But I can hardly believe that the few hundred each pilot got (and probably need) would pay for me and 79 other guys/gals to sit on reserve.
So I'll stay here and wait for a callback when I'm actually needed. That's better for me than getting furloughed a second time on Sept. 1.
As for the furloughees, of which I am one, yeah it sucks but like many have said before: that's how it works in this industry. Would I like to go back? Yup. But I can hardly believe that the few hundred each pilot got (and probably need) would pay for me and 79 other guys/gals to sit on reserve.
So I'll stay here and wait for a callback when I'm actually needed. That's better for me than getting furloughed a second time on Sept. 1.
05-09-2009 | 10:28 AM
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From: ASA FO
am i missing something. i thought the performance side of profit plus was based strictly on performance and the financial side was based on your gross pay for that quarter. im a 2+ year and got a whopping $68. im not complaining about the extra cash, but after 5 straight months of crap schedules it will take more than 68 dollars to get my morale back on track.
05-09-2009 | 12:08 PM
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am i missing something. i thought the performance side of profit plus was based strictly on performance and the financial side was based on your gross pay for that quarter. im a 2+ year and got a whopping $68. im not complaining about the extra cash, but after 5 straight months of crap schedules it will take more than 68 dollars to get my morale back on track.
We are due a bonus if:
- ASA posts a minimum quarterly profit margin of at least 1 percent;
- And ASA meets it’s goals associated with the following operational metrics
05-09-2009 | 12:16 PM
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From: DHC-8 CA Furloughed
It seems like some are bristling when posed questions about bonus payments versus recalling furloughed pilots. I do not quite understand why there seems to be resistance to discussing something like this.
Which option would raise your morale the most;
1. A $150.00 bonus check?
2. Using those funds to recall as many furloughed pilots as possible?
The Dash Whisperer
Which option would raise your morale the most;
1. A $150.00 bonus check?
2. Using those funds to recall as many furloughed pilots as possible?
The Dash Whisperer
05-09-2009 | 12:25 PM
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From: ASA FO
Yeah, my net is $143...
We are due a bonus if:
We are due a bonus if:
- ASA posts a minimum quarterly profit margin of at least 1 percent;
- And ASA meets it’s goals associated with the following operational metrics
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