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05-12-2009 | 10:21 AM
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The above would state you have are a certified instrument instructor and a multi-engine instructor. The CFII and MEI imply you have a commercial for single and ME. Neither however, states that you have instrument privileges on your ME commercial license. Which, as we all know, is an additional and more difficult test than the ME and MEI alone. Hence the reason I added the MECI. Unless I missed something? 
05-12-2009 | 12:05 PM
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It says instrument airplane on your ticket, so if it has fixed wings, at least one engine, and you're qualified in it, you can fly it instrument.
Just so you know, it is not conventional to use the acronym MEIC. You're going to have employers do the same thing that happened on here.
What is this guy talking about?!
Just so you know, it is not conventional to use the acronym MEIC. You're going to have employers do the same thing that happened on here.
What is this guy talking about?!
05-12-2009 | 12:31 PM
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(b) Limitations. (1) A person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category or powered-lift category rating and does not hold an instrument rating in the same category and class will be issued a commercial pilot certificate that contains the limitation, “The carriage of passengers for hire in (airplanes) (powered-lifts) on cross-country flights in excess of 50 nautical miles or at night is prohibited.” The limitation may be removed when the person satisfactorily accomplishes the requirements listed in §61.65 of this part for an instrument rating in the same category and class of aircraft listed on the person's commercial pilot certificate.
Basically, you have to add the instrument privileges to the commercial, by passing an instrument test at commercial standards, in category and class.
05-12-2009 | 12:41 PM
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COM-ASMEL, CFI-AIM.
These are the most widely used (and understood) acronyms for the Commercial Airplane Single & Multi-Engine Land and CFI-Airplane/Instrument/Multi qualifications.
In the world of professional flying, its assumed that if you have a Commercial then you also have an instrument rating; the only circumstance I've ever seen where this isn't the case is rotary wing.
These are the most widely used (and understood) acronyms for the Commercial Airplane Single & Multi-Engine Land and CFI-Airplane/Instrument/Multi qualifications.
In the world of professional flying, its assumed that if you have a Commercial then you also have an instrument rating; the only circumstance I've ever seen where this isn't the case is rotary wing.
05-12-2009 | 12:50 PM
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From the FARS:
(b) Limitations. (1) A person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category or powered-lift category rating and does not hold an instrument rating in the same category and class will be issued a commercial pilot certificate that contains the limitation, “The carriage of passengers for hire in (airplanes) (powered-lifts) on cross-country flights in excess of 50 nautical miles or at night is prohibited.” The limitation may be removed when the person satisfactorily accomplishes the requirements listed in §61.65 of this part for an instrument rating in the same category and class of aircraft listed on the person's commercial pilot certificate.
Basically, you have to add the instrument privileges to the commercial, by passing an instrument test at commercial standards, in category and class.
(b) Limitations. (1) A person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category or powered-lift category rating and does not hold an instrument rating in the same category and class will be issued a commercial pilot certificate that contains the limitation, “The carriage of passengers for hire in (airplanes) (powered-lifts) on cross-country flights in excess of 50 nautical miles or at night is prohibited.” The limitation may be removed when the person satisfactorily accomplishes the requirements listed in §61.65 of this part for an instrument rating in the same category and class of aircraft listed on the person's commercial pilot certificate.
Basically, you have to add the instrument privileges to the commercial, by passing an instrument test at commercial standards, in category and class.
Sorry if I stirred the pot earlier. I didn't intend to cause any foul.
You put: ...CFI, MEI, CFII, MEIC...
I put: ...CFII, MEI...
My reasoning:
-CFII implies CFI...so you can drop CFI from your list.
-CFI and MEI imply you already have your commercial. You can't instruct without a commercial ticket. So you can drop the "C", or commercial, reference in MEIC.
-Your cert lists "instrument airplane" so you can fly (or teach since you're a CFII) instruments in a single or multi engine airplane (as long as you have your MEI). Drop the "I", or instrument, reference in MEIC...or drop MEIC altogether.
Hope this helps. Anyone feel free to help clarify. Bonus points for those of you who take precious time from your day to analyze my grammar.
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05-12-2009 | 01:34 PM
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It says instrument airplane on your ticket, so if it has fixed wings, at least one engine, and you're qualified in it, you can fly it instrument.
Just so you know, it is not conventional to use the acronym MEIC. You're going to have employers do the same thing that happened on here.
What is this guy talking about?!
Just so you know, it is not conventional to use the acronym MEIC. You're going to have employers do the same thing that happened on here.
What is this guy talking about?!
05-12-2009 | 02:03 PM
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COM-ASMEL, CFI-AIM.
These are the most widely used (and understood) acronyms for the Commercial Airplane Single & Multi-Engine Land and CFI-Airplane/Instrument/Multi qualifications.
In the world of professional flying, its assumed that if you have a Commercial then you also have an instrument rating; the only circumstance I've ever seen where this isn't the case is rotary wing.
These are the most widely used (and understood) acronyms for the Commercial Airplane Single & Multi-Engine Land and CFI-Airplane/Instrument/Multi qualifications.
In the world of professional flying, its assumed that if you have a Commercial then you also have an instrument rating; the only circumstance I've ever seen where this isn't the case is rotary wing.
05-12-2009 | 02:13 PM
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Your reading it out of context, the response was to a question regarding having an instrument rating in a SE and being legal to fly a ME IFR. So, I was correctly pointing out the "limitations" of the license. Also as I've stated many times, MEIC is shorthand for this forum. However if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy...your right I'm wrong. Ultimately its what I put on the resume that counts. Since I've been corrected about fifty friggin times now I think I HAVE IT NOW. THANKS!
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