Comair Unions Pushing for DL to reconsider
05-26-2009 | 05:01 PM
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You guys should'nt just settle because they threw you a bone. Stand up and get onboard. We as active employees(even though we're wholly owned) should be able to board before DL retirees and parents. We are either using our pass bennifits to commute, or have limited time for personal travel. I respect that Delta wants to board first, it's their flight. No problems with that. I think the union's expectationa are a tad too high with trying to get the old rule reinstated.
05-26-2009 | 05:08 PM
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When I travel on an RJ, I have to travel S3C. On numerous occasions I have been bumped in ATL at the last minute because a connection employee traveling on a pass with less seniority shows up. It is what it is. I accept that. I do not accept however, that an employee working for a company that's not DAL has priority over me because of DOH if we are both traveling on DAL. You get priority on your airline, I get it on mine. And in the case of my former commute to NYC, sometimes two leg commutes each way are your new way of life. Get a good book and plan accordingly. Also, get a crash pad in Kew Gardens near a subway line. Your life will be much better.
05-26-2009 | 05:28 PM
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05-26-2009 | 05:41 PM
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The problem with getting Compass and Mesaba on board with this campaign is that our pass benefits actually got BETTER with the new program. We always boarded AFTER mainline and their dependents. So, it'll be hard for CP and XJ employees to complain about what we're getting.
Having said that, it still doesn't make it right. IMO the best thing they could have done was make it DOH for ALL active employees regardless of mainline, wholly owned or contract. ALL active employees would board before all retirees, parents, dependents, buddies, RTC, etc. based on pure seniority. That would the most fair way.
At least Comair doesn't have it as bad as Pinnacle. Now THOSE are the folks who really have something to complain about.
Having said that, it still doesn't make it right. IMO the best thing they could have done was make it DOH for ALL active employees regardless of mainline, wholly owned or contract. ALL active employees would board before all retirees, parents, dependents, buddies, RTC, etc. based on pure seniority. That would the most fair way.
At least Comair doesn't have it as bad as Pinnacle. Now THOSE are the folks who really have something to complain about.
This is not a flame but the reality of all this is you are not a DAL employee. Just as I was not a CAL or USAirways employee when I worked for their regionals. Heck I even worked for a wholly owned USAirways regional but that still did not make them my employer, my paycheck came from the company that I actually worked for.
05-26-2009 | 06:39 PM
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Here is how this works and should always work.
1. If it is Delta Metal then me and my entire family including my parents should have priority over any Pilot, flight attendant, mechanic, ramper or God knows what else that works for any other company. If your ID badge does not say Delta (this also includes the employees of NWA until SOC is complete and they all have Delta Badges) then you go behind me on my metal. Plain and simple. That is the way it should be.
2. As for Buddy passes of course you everyone including the family dog from any airline goes before them in my book.
3. Complain about the system all you want and please make sure to tell all of us at Mainline how your productivity will diminish and flights will start to cancel that your contract has your company obligated to perform because you cannot get to work. Here is a horrible truth and it's nothing personal but I want that to happen. That way more 50 seats RJ's are shipped to the desert or Africa, your contracts are nullified for lack of performance and then I don't have to hear any of you complain about travel benefits....
because you are at Home Depot selling me paint and stuff as I remodel my house. Look at it on the bright side, you will probably be making more money there anyway.
4. Here is what I would change: If it's your company airplane (ie Pinnacle, ASA, Comair or whomever) that is flying from BHM to ATL then I think it should be DOH between the two of us for Non rev priority. If the flight is operated by another DCI carrier contracted by Delta Air Lines to operate a flight between respective cities and you work for another DCI carrier then I could care less how long you have been working at that other DCI carrier: your priority should always be after any Delta Air Lines (remember the id thing) employee and their family. Here is another tidbit they probably forgot to tell you but if my parents are traveling with me on a flight they get the same priority as I do no matter what.
You want to make things better then for you in your next contract get commuter clauses, call in honest or whatever you want to call them included. If the Capital for such items is overbearing then forget about it and always remember this.
Your Non Revenue Privileges are just that: Privileges and not Rights.
Neither you nor I have the right to dictate terms to management on what priority a contract employee should have when traveling and in the luxury of not living in the town or city in which we find ourselves gainfully employed. That is always the case. Now stop crying about this and go back to telling all of us "Mainline Guys" how we are the cause for all your other hardships in life. I find that more amusing.
1. If it is Delta Metal then me and my entire family including my parents should have priority over any Pilot, flight attendant, mechanic, ramper or God knows what else that works for any other company. If your ID badge does not say Delta (this also includes the employees of NWA until SOC is complete and they all have Delta Badges) then you go behind me on my metal. Plain and simple. That is the way it should be.
2. As for Buddy passes of course you everyone including the family dog from any airline goes before them in my book.
3. Complain about the system all you want and please make sure to tell all of us at Mainline how your productivity will diminish and flights will start to cancel that your contract has your company obligated to perform because you cannot get to work. Here is a horrible truth and it's nothing personal but I want that to happen. That way more 50 seats RJ's are shipped to the desert or Africa, your contracts are nullified for lack of performance and then I don't have to hear any of you complain about travel benefits....
because you are at Home Depot selling me paint and stuff as I remodel my house. Look at it on the bright side, you will probably be making more money there anyway.4. Here is what I would change: If it's your company airplane (ie Pinnacle, ASA, Comair or whomever) that is flying from BHM to ATL then I think it should be DOH between the two of us for Non rev priority. If the flight is operated by another DCI carrier contracted by Delta Air Lines to operate a flight between respective cities and you work for another DCI carrier then I could care less how long you have been working at that other DCI carrier: your priority should always be after any Delta Air Lines (remember the id thing) employee and their family. Here is another tidbit they probably forgot to tell you but if my parents are traveling with me on a flight they get the same priority as I do no matter what.
You want to make things better then for you in your next contract get commuter clauses, call in honest or whatever you want to call them included. If the Capital for such items is overbearing then forget about it and always remember this.
Your Non Revenue Privileges are just that: Privileges and not Rights.
Neither you nor I have the right to dictate terms to management on what priority a contract employee should have when traveling and in the luxury of not living in the town or city in which we find ourselves gainfully employed. That is always the case. Now stop crying about this and go back to telling all of us "Mainline Guys" how we are the cause for all your other hardships in life. I find that more amusing.
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05-26-2009 | 06:50 PM
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Here is how this works and should always work.
1. If it is Delta Metal then me and my entire family including my parents should have priority over any Pilot, flight attendant, mechanic, ramper or God knows what else that works for any other company. If your ID badge does not say Delta (this also includes the employees of NWA until SOC is complete and they all have Delta Badges) then you go behind me on my metal. Plain and simple. That is the way it should be.
2. As for Buddy passes of course you everyone including the family dog from any airline goes before them in my book.
3. Complain about the system all you want and please make sure to tell all of us at Mainline how your productivity will diminish and flights will start to cancel that your contract has your company obligated to perform because you cannot get to work. Here is a horrible truth and it's nothing personal but I want that to happen. That way more 50 seats RJ's are shipped to the desert or Africa, your contracts are nullified for lack of performance and then I don't have to hear any of you complain about travel benefits.... because you are at Home Depot selling me paint and stuff as I remodel my house. Look at it on the bright side, you will probably be making more money there anyway.
4. Here is what I would change: If it's your company airplane (ie Pinnacle, ASA, Comair or whomever) that is flying from BHM to ATL then I think it should be DOH between the two of us for Non rev priority. If the flight is operated by another DCI carrier contracted by Delta Air Lines to operate a flight between respective cities and you work for another DCI carrier then I could care less how long you have been working at that other DCI carrier: your priority should always be after any Delta Air Lines (remember the id thing) employee and their family. Here is another tidbit they probably forgot to tell you but if my parents are traveling with me on a flight they get the same priority as I do no matter what.
You want to make things better then for you in your next contract get commuter clauses, call in honest or whatever you want to call them included. If the Capital for such items is overbearing then forget about it and always remember this.
Your Non Revenue Privileges are just that: Privileges and not Rights.
Neither you nor I have the right to dictate terms to management on what priority a contract employee should have when traveling and in the luxury of not living in the town or city in which we find ourselves gainfully employed. That is always the case. Now stop crying about this and go back to telling all of us "Mainline Guys" how we are the cause for all your other hardships in life. I find that more amusing.
1. If it is Delta Metal then me and my entire family including my parents should have priority over any Pilot, flight attendant, mechanic, ramper or God knows what else that works for any other company. If your ID badge does not say Delta (this also includes the employees of NWA until SOC is complete and they all have Delta Badges) then you go behind me on my metal. Plain and simple. That is the way it should be.
2. As for Buddy passes of course you everyone including the family dog from any airline goes before them in my book.
3. Complain about the system all you want and please make sure to tell all of us at Mainline how your productivity will diminish and flights will start to cancel that your contract has your company obligated to perform because you cannot get to work. Here is a horrible truth and it's nothing personal but I want that to happen. That way more 50 seats RJ's are shipped to the desert or Africa, your contracts are nullified for lack of performance and then I don't have to hear any of you complain about travel benefits....
because you are at Home Depot selling me paint and stuff as I remodel my house. Look at it on the bright side, you will probably be making more money there anyway.4. Here is what I would change: If it's your company airplane (ie Pinnacle, ASA, Comair or whomever) that is flying from BHM to ATL then I think it should be DOH between the two of us for Non rev priority. If the flight is operated by another DCI carrier contracted by Delta Air Lines to operate a flight between respective cities and you work for another DCI carrier then I could care less how long you have been working at that other DCI carrier: your priority should always be after any Delta Air Lines (remember the id thing) employee and their family. Here is another tidbit they probably forgot to tell you but if my parents are traveling with me on a flight they get the same priority as I do no matter what.
You want to make things better then for you in your next contract get commuter clauses, call in honest or whatever you want to call them included. If the Capital for such items is overbearing then forget about it and always remember this.
Your Non Revenue Privileges are just that: Privileges and not Rights.
Neither you nor I have the right to dictate terms to management on what priority a contract employee should have when traveling and in the luxury of not living in the town or city in which we find ourselves gainfully employed. That is always the case. Now stop crying about this and go back to telling all of us "Mainline Guys" how we are the cause for all your other hardships in life. I find that more amusing.
As for another poster talking about former NWA routes...YES, we should get priority. They are ALL DAL routes now.
05-26-2009 | 06:55 PM
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Okay...on a Delta mainline flight per the new program; DL/NWA employees/dependants, retirees and employee parents get on first as S3's. Comair, Mesaba, Compass, RHS, DCA, and other wholly owned employees/dependants are next to board per DOH as S3C. The next group is the contract DCI carriers such as Pinnacle and Chautauqua board after wholly owned.
On Comair, Compass, and Mesaba flights, It's all DOH between mainline and the w/o employees as S3C and you can on;y use you S2 passes on Comair, Comapass and Mesaba flights. Contract carriers are S3C
On contract carriers (excluding ASA and SkyWest), they board S3 with mainline per DOH. Wholly owned are next then ASA and SkyWest are last before buddy passes. On SkyWest and ASA, they board before mainline and then everyone else follows.
On Comair, Compass, and Mesaba flights, It's all DOH between mainline and the w/o employees as S3C and you can on;y use you S2 passes on Comair, Comapass and Mesaba flights. Contract carriers are S3C
On contract carriers (excluding ASA and SkyWest), they board S3 with mainline per DOH. Wholly owned are next then ASA and SkyWest are last before buddy passes. On SkyWest and ASA, they board before mainline and then everyone else follows.
05-26-2009 | 07:00 PM
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Here is how this works and should always work.
1. If it is Delta Metal then me and my entire family including my parents should have priority over any Pilot, flight attendant, mechanic, ramper or God knows what else that works for any other company. If your ID badge does not say Delta (this also includes the employees of NWA until SOC is complete and they all have Delta Badges) then you go behind me on my metal. Plain and simple. That is the way it should be.
2. As for Buddy passes of course you everyone including the family dog from any airline goes before them in my book.
3. Complain about the system all you want and please make sure to tell all of us at Mainline how your productivity will diminish and flights will start to cancel that your contract has your company obligated to perform because you cannot get to work. Here is a horrible truth and it's nothing personal but I want that to happen. That way more 50 seats RJ's are shipped to the desert or Africa, your contracts are nullified for lack of performance and then I don't have to hear any of you complain about travel benefits.... because you are at Home Depot selling me paint and stuff as I remodel my house. Look at it on the bright side, you will probably be making more money there anyway.
4. Here is what I would change: If it's your company airplane (ie Pinnacle, ASA, Comair or whomever) that is flying from BHM to ATL then I think it should be DOH between the two of us for Non rev priority. If the flight is operated by another DCI carrier contracted by Delta Air Lines to operate a flight between respective cities and you work for another DCI carrier then I could care less how long you have been working at that other DCI carrier: your priority should always be after any Delta Air Lines (remember the id thing) employee and their family. Here is another tidbit they probably forgot to tell you but if my parents are traveling with me on a flight they get the same priority as I do no matter what.
You want to make things better then for you in your next contract get commuter clauses, call in honest or whatever you want to call them included. If the Capital for such items is overbearing then forget about it and always remember this.
Your Non Revenue Privileges are just that: Privileges and not Rights.
Neither you nor I have the right to dictate terms to management on what priority a contract employee should have when traveling and in the luxury of not living in the town or city in which we find ourselves gainfully employed. That is always the case. Now stop crying about this and go back to telling all of us "Mainline Guys" how we are the cause for all your other hardships in life. I find that more amusing.
1. If it is Delta Metal then me and my entire family including my parents should have priority over any Pilot, flight attendant, mechanic, ramper or God knows what else that works for any other company. If your ID badge does not say Delta (this also includes the employees of NWA until SOC is complete and they all have Delta Badges) then you go behind me on my metal. Plain and simple. That is the way it should be.
2. As for Buddy passes of course you everyone including the family dog from any airline goes before them in my book.
3. Complain about the system all you want and please make sure to tell all of us at Mainline how your productivity will diminish and flights will start to cancel that your contract has your company obligated to perform because you cannot get to work. Here is a horrible truth and it's nothing personal but I want that to happen. That way more 50 seats RJ's are shipped to the desert or Africa, your contracts are nullified for lack of performance and then I don't have to hear any of you complain about travel benefits....
because you are at Home Depot selling me paint and stuff as I remodel my house. Look at it on the bright side, you will probably be making more money there anyway.4. Here is what I would change: If it's your company airplane (ie Pinnacle, ASA, Comair or whomever) that is flying from BHM to ATL then I think it should be DOH between the two of us for Non rev priority. If the flight is operated by another DCI carrier contracted by Delta Air Lines to operate a flight between respective cities and you work for another DCI carrier then I could care less how long you have been working at that other DCI carrier: your priority should always be after any Delta Air Lines (remember the id thing) employee and their family. Here is another tidbit they probably forgot to tell you but if my parents are traveling with me on a flight they get the same priority as I do no matter what.
You want to make things better then for you in your next contract get commuter clauses, call in honest or whatever you want to call them included. If the Capital for such items is overbearing then forget about it and always remember this.
Your Non Revenue Privileges are just that: Privileges and not Rights.
Neither you nor I have the right to dictate terms to management on what priority a contract employee should have when traveling and in the luxury of not living in the town or city in which we find ourselves gainfully employed. That is always the case. Now stop crying about this and go back to telling all of us "Mainline Guys" how we are the cause for all your other hardships in life. I find that more amusing.
If you're a DAL/NWA employee traveling on a DAL/NWA flight, you and your parents and who the hell cares should have priority over other companies' employees.
If you're a DAL/NWA employee traveling on a regional company's flight, you should have less priority than an employee and his/her dependents etc. of that respective company.
I think it's fair. While I would like for active employees, in general, to have priority over parents (it would help commuters) it doesn't sound fair when you consider my company is separate from yours.
05-26-2009 | 07:09 PM
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Here's the simplicity of what I think is fair:
If you're a DAL/NWA employee traveling on a DAL/NWA flight, you and your parents and who the hell cares should have priority over other companies' employees.
If you're a DAL/NWA employee traveling on a regional company's flight, you should have less priority than an employee and his/her dependents etc. of that respective company.
I think it's fair. While I would like for active employees, in general, to have priority over parents (it would help commuters) it doesn't sound fair when you consider my company is separate from yours.
If you're a DAL/NWA employee traveling on a DAL/NWA flight, you and your parents and who the hell cares should have priority over other companies' employees.
If you're a DAL/NWA employee traveling on a regional company's flight, you should have less priority than an employee and his/her dependents etc. of that respective company.
I think it's fair. While I would like for active employees, in general, to have priority over parents (it would help commuters) it doesn't sound fair when you consider my company is separate from yours.
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