Comair Unions Pushing for DL to reconsider
05-26-2009 | 07:18 PM
#22
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pssst, haven't you heard that NWA is now DAL?
So therefore you mean all DAL guys and their families also get priority on EX-NWA routes 
His point was you're at a sub-contractor airline, It rolls down hill champ. One day when/if you make the move to mainline you will also get to enjoy the process. Chalk this up to reason number 572 not to stay at a regional
05-26-2009 | 07:19 PM
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Less priority than the actual employee, I have no problems. However dependents, parents...NO WAY. Reason being, MY COMPANY owns and sells the seats. My company pays for the fuel. My company controls what aircraft are on that route. My company owns that flying. DAL pilots should get priority over anyone but that particular regionals employee.
05-26-2009 | 07:20 PM
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Less priority than the actual employee, I have no problems. However dependents, parents...NO WAY. Reason being, MY COMPANY owns and sells the seats. My company pays for the fuel. My company controls what aircraft are on that route. My company owns that flying. DAL pilots should get priority over anyone but that particular regionals employee.
05-26-2009 | 07:24 PM
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I'll help with this answer. As I said in a prior post, I don't have a problem you getting priority on your "own metal". But, IMO, since MY COMPANY OWNS and sells those seats on your "own metal" (heck, we may even own your metal and lease it to you, in some cases) then YES we should get priority.
05-26-2009 | 07:27 PM
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Here is how this works and should always work.
1. . . If your ID badge does not say Delta (this also includes the employees of NWA until SOC is complete and they all have Delta Badges) then you go behind me on my metal. Plain and simple. That is the way it should be.
3. Complain about the system all you want and please make sure to tell all of us at Mainline how your productivity will diminish and flights will start to cancel that your contract has your company obligated to perform because you cannot get to work.
4. Here is what I would change: If it's your company airplane (ie Pinnacle, ASA, Comair or whomever) . . . .
You want to make things better then for you in your next contract get commuter clauses, call in honest or whatever you want to call them included. If the Capital for such items is overbearing then forget about it and always remember this.
Your Non Revenue Privileges are just that: Privileges and not Rights.
1. . . If your ID badge does not say Delta (this also includes the employees of NWA until SOC is complete and they all have Delta Badges) then you go behind me on my metal. Plain and simple. That is the way it should be.
3. Complain about the system all you want and please make sure to tell all of us at Mainline how your productivity will diminish and flights will start to cancel that your contract has your company obligated to perform because you cannot get to work.
4. Here is what I would change: If it's your company airplane (ie Pinnacle, ASA, Comair or whomever) . . . .
You want to make things better then for you in your next contract get commuter clauses, call in honest or whatever you want to call them included. If the Capital for such items is overbearing then forget about it and always remember this.
Your Non Revenue Privileges are just that: Privileges and not Rights.
3. Comair's performance goes to Delta's bottom line.
4. Comair doesn't own their airplanes, Delta does.
Comair does have a commuter clause.
I do agree with you on a few points, though. There are way to many RJs and they should be phased out; only if it leads to more mainline jobs. Also, you are absolutely right flight benefits are a privilege. For you and me both.
05-26-2009 | 07:31 PM
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For all the red headed stepchildren of the former NWA... we're used to the boarding priority of being below mainline. In general, it hasn't been THAT bad. A missed F or Biz upgrade here or there, but generally it hasn't mattered. Where it has mattered was commuting between the hubs and with that you had to get creative or hope some mainline pilot could take the FA jumpseat if it was available. Thank goodness for our p-space commuter clause!
No loss for the f-NWA Airlinkers. But when anyone loses something they've enjoyed, it's a blow to morale. This is just another kick in the head for those at Comair and having taken kick after kick for year after year at Mesaba, I know what it's like and it 'aint fun. Do all you mainliners have to have such attitude about it? Jeez. Stop giving away scope and maybe there indeed will be a job to hope for at mainline! And quit throwing the "well, leave your regional and you can enjoy the good life." BS.
No loss for the f-NWA Airlinkers. But when anyone loses something they've enjoyed, it's a blow to morale. This is just another kick in the head for those at Comair and having taken kick after kick for year after year at Mesaba, I know what it's like and it 'aint fun. Do all you mainliners have to have such attitude about it? Jeez. Stop giving away scope and maybe there indeed will be a job to hope for at mainline! And quit throwing the "well, leave your regional and you can enjoy the good life." BS.
05-26-2009 | 07:31 PM
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1. I work at Comair and my ID says Delta on it. So do my airplanes, wings and paycheck.Um, doesn't it say Delta CONNECTION? That's not DELTA AIR LINES!
3. Comair's performance goes to Delta's bottom line.As do the contract feeds performance, what's your point?
4. Comair doesn't own their airplanes, Delta does.EXACTLY, so DAL pilots should get priority!
Comair does have a commuter clause.Good, then you should have no issues getting to work!
I do agree with you on a few points, though. There are way to many RJs and they should be phased out; only if it leads to more mainline jobs. Also, you are absolutely right flight benefits are a privilege. For you and me both.
3. Comair's performance goes to Delta's bottom line.As do the contract feeds performance, what's your point?
4. Comair doesn't own their airplanes, Delta does.EXACTLY, so DAL pilots should get priority!
Comair does have a commuter clause.Good, then you should have no issues getting to work!
I do agree with you on a few points, though. There are way to many RJs and they should be phased out; only if it leads to more mainline jobs. Also, you are absolutely right flight benefits are a privilege. For you and me both.
05-26-2009 | 07:31 PM
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Less priority than the actual employee, I have no problems. However dependents, parents...NO WAY. Reason being, MY COMPANY owns and sells the seats. My company pays for the fuel. My company controls what aircraft are on that route. My company owns that flying. DAL pilots should get priority over anyone but that particular regionals employee.
Ok so I know all the DCI's are thinking it I'm just going to say it. Why does mainline think they have the right to go at the same priority on our aircraft while we have to go behind them on their's? And don't give me this "they own the seats crap". They outsource the work to the DCI carriers just like any other company in America outsources their work. Only in aviation would someone feel entitled to the outsourced companies "facilities" ahead of the employees that work for the company the work is outsourced to.
I used to work as a supervisor for a company that did a lot of out sourced work. We did work for some very big corporations. We had some great facilities for the business I was in. If the entire world were like mainline then any joe blow that worked for the company we were doing work for could just come right in and use our facilities. Even kick me out of my office if he was hired before me. But I couldn't do the same at their place. I mean his company was paying us to do the work after all right? WRONG! This is just not how it should work. Your airplanes, your pilots, your priority. If you outsourced the work then that's your problem mainline. (in more ways than just Non-reving might I add) Only in aviation. The sense of entitlement is insane.
Flame away! The fire suit is on.
05-26-2009 | 07:35 PM
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I've got to disagree with you on this one. Pass benefits are part of our compensation that IS NOT defined in our contracts. They are a part of this industry, and part of the reason that so many of us find ourselves working here. Travel benefits are common practice in our industry. What Delta can take from Comair they can just as easily, and possibly will, take from mainline. When they do, it will be done in increments, just like this time.
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