The losses if Pinnacle shuts down will offset the taxes on profits from the other companies.

 

The big fat bonuses Phil handed out up and down the executive suites last year will buy a lot of Zed fares.

 

Here's how this one will play out. The pilots will **** and moan, grab their pitch forks and torches. But in the end, they will just take in in as a#$ like they always do.

 

That's exactly right. Pilots will come to these message boards, writing the biggest insulting words they could find and then when they go to work will tell their peers how bold and destructive they are going to be and how they are not going to take it anymore and from now on a new era will start.

And then.... a lowly gate agent will come down the jet bridge and say, oh no jumpseaters..... The door will get closed and once again the airline will have it their way.

Or some other day, we will be waiting on the curb for 20-40 minutes for the shuttle van and pilots will be syaing to the FA how this is not in the contract and we should all be taking cabs and expensing it to the company, but once again everyone will be a coward and nothing will be done and we will sit there with a thumb up our a**.

So is the life of labor. They call it "labor" for a reason.

 

Thats exactly right. The hotel van is a good example. There is always alot of tough talk about calling a cab, but most people never do it.

There is also alot of tough talk about "flying the contract" and "writing everything up", and refusing JM's and extentions, and calling in sick or fatigued, or quitting the company, or getting out of the industry.

But it rarely happens.

Then when there is a displacement, or critically short staffing, there is alot of talk about not picking up open time, but tons of pilots do it anyway.

But in the end with a castrated union, and a pilot group that suffers from Stockholm Syndrome, there isn't much that can be done.

When there is no contract for years upon years you don't

-Pick up open time
-Pick up the phone on your days off
-Avoid fatigue calls even after a bone crushing week of reduced rest or high speeds
-Sign anything management offers you unless its a contract
-Agree to do ANYTHING outside the contract

You do

-fly the contract
-fly safe
-be meticulous with writeups (as you should anyways)

The world won't end if

- a fatigue call is made
-a sick day is taken
-A delay is taken
-A taxi is called when the van driver is MIA

Its pitiful that a pilot group has been this long without a contract. Flying for a Regional is not all there is to life, if you get fired because you are flying the contract... its not the end of the world

 

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Thanks for playing Pinnacle, you probably just lost my vote for any TA you put in front of me unless it is absolutely industry LEADING...I would rather just wait for the NMB to release us at this point and get them by the family jewels so we can push for no less than any other non-wholly owned DCI feeder...



That'd be about where I am, too.......I don't think I could possibly have any kind of 'yes' vote in me at this point.....

 

Do they still want us to pay $200+ for our families per year for this?

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Nail on the head.

Which is why I believe this entire profession has already done itself in. An entire generation of real professionals are retiring from the majors just to be replaced by us... The conditioned subserviant regional airline pilots of America.

 

I'm optimistic about the under-30s generation. Spoiled generations like ours typically get the most upset and act out the most when you try to take our stuff away.

I honestly feel like it's the mid-30s to 40s aged guys that are rolling over and dying about everything-- they're the ones who are the most defeatist.

One common thread among the baby boomer old schoolers and us young folks is that we were both raised in post-war economic booms (WWII and the Cold War)...we were raised in eras of great technological advancement and progress, and believe that anything is possible as long as you work hard enough or study hard enough, or both....

Even the guys who went to Jet U seem to be more willing to do something about the industry than the pessimistic "I had my ATP when I got hired and I am lucky to have my job" generation.

Who will fight more--the generation of entitlement who has never heard the words "no," or the generation who "earned it" but considers themselves "lucky to be here?"

Rant on, pessimist Gen Xers!!!

 

I'll bite blondie

1....sounds like a 2 year old in a grocery store throwing a tantrum when his mom won't buy him gummy bears.

2. I'm 35 and i'll be the first to STFD. And most of my 30 + friends are the same. We have learned there are ways to get things we want besides whining on an anon internet board or *****ing in the cockpit to your FO/CA. Join the union, etc. there are other ways to focus your energy. In general, I've found that guys who whine and b*tch on message boards or in the cocoon of the cockpit are the guys least willing to join/help out the union or fellow pilots. US "X'ers" are silent but deadly, not just rolling over. Who wins the bar fight....the guy who makes alot of noise and gets his arse kicked or the guy who uses mind control/psychology and goes home with the bully's girl? See FNFAL's post for ways to help our cause without *****ing and whining all about it. I have seen 2 of our most vocal STFD'ers pick up open time and fly while sick. And answer their phone in the hopes of that 125% jr man call. Even had one just a few days ago help the understaffed ramp unload/load bags at the outstation so HE could try to get us out ON TIME. and he was early 20's.

3. work hard or study hard or buy your way into a job.

4. Jet U etc....I can buy my way into another job if we STFD.
Those with ATP already.....it took us alot of hard work to get this job, and it will take an equal amount of hard work to get another job if we STFD. Doing something about the industry.....it can be said the program guys/low time gen Y'ers are the ones who changed the industry for the worse, and they should be the ones that should be trying to change it for the better. It's not my fault they spent tens of thousands to chase quick PIC time and got stuck in a rut.

5. I know I always fight harder for something that I earned, rather than something that I felt I was entitled to and didn't hear the words no for.

disclaimer.....all these views arent necessarily the way I personally feel and isn't meant to bash low timers/program guys, just giving the poster possible answers to the questions he posed.