New Pinnacle Pass program
05-31-2009, 07:14 PM
#32
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Please email Rep R.M. with your opposition to this new proposed policy. We are putting something together so that managment has a clear understanding of just how many pilots are not happy about these travel benefits. It will be a clear message at the next round of negotiations. We need the emails by Thursday.
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06-01-2009, 04:50 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
Pinnacle management doesn't care what pilots think or how angry they are. It's deliberate and calculated. All part of a demoralization campaign that conditions the employees that they're nothing better than day-labor and will take anything management forces down their throats.
All management cares about is you show up for work. And we all know that you will. So to all you really angry pilots . . . are you going to do something about it, or just do the usual and sulk away throw a tantrum in private (for your $30k a year "professional" compensation)?
All management cares about is you show up for work. And we all know that you will. So to all you really angry pilots . . . are you going to do something about it, or just do the usual and sulk away throw a tantrum in private (for your $30k a year "professional" compensation)?
06-01-2009, 07:16 PM
#35
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Posts: 426
Originally Posted by Windsor
Its Official, the new pass travel rules are out. I hope this is the fire that ignites and unify's our pilot group to the boiling point. Fly safe out there guys. Fly safe.........
I'm gonna go with my guess, not yours.
"Ahh crap why don't we have the load slip yet???? We only have 5 more minutes until block-out! OH MY GOD ITS THE END OF THE FREAGIN' WORLD!!!! WHAT WILL I SAY IF I GET A CALL ABOUT THIS???"
"Hmm gee, lets just wait until we get back to MEM/DTW/MSP/IND/ATL before we write this up.... I wouldn't want to cause a big delay!"
"Man I hate the company blah blah blah blah.... Oh I got 90 credit this month. Had 75 hours but I picked up some GREAT trips in open time."
Please PCL pilots... grow a pair.... I swear to the freagin' Flying Spaghetti Monster some of you are the most manipulated easy to control easily intimidated yet company complaining wimps I have ever come across.
Gee, hey I know... Since I'm too much of a moron to actually fly/act/operate professionally (which is all you have to do) I will just fly my airplane like a child, make every takeoff full power, and run the APU all the time. Wow, you sure are showing them. That is... of course... until you hear about someone having a carpet dance over doing one of those things... then you'll find something else that seems hidden to mgmt, equally pointlessly wasteful, and immature to show your defiance.
gaaa... can't wait to move on from this PFTer owned/operated nightmare of a Mickey Mouse airline.
Last edited by Noseeums; 06-01-2009 at 07:30 PM.
06-01-2009, 08:30 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Jetrecruiter
the revenge of the taco just kicked in and i will be having a wojo Tyler moment that will make it difficult for me to fly an airplane unless they insult a lav in the cockpit of that CRJ. Otherwise I will be home recovering. How about 20% eat those delicious taco's in one day??
If you were referring to management I'd bet it would be funnier having them on the jumpseat insulting themselves instead of the lav. I mean what's the worst the lav did to you? Overfill on your pants when a rampie was refilling the blue juice?
06-01-2009, 09:40 PM
#37
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Who will truly be "fit to fly" under the FAA definition after we a) lose our travel benefits and (if) b) contract negotiations end without a TA AGAIN on June 9th???
I don't know a single person at this company who will be psychologically or physically fit to fly if we simultaneously get hosed once again at the negotiating table AND lose our travel benefits at the same time...
When was the last time your read the writing (and the regs) on the back of your medical?
If you haven't done so recently, I highly suggest you do so, and I highly suggest you consider your fitness to fly if/when our benefits are pulled and if/when we don't get a TA this time.
This is not some bs exaggeration...most of us will truly be too angry to fly if what I think is going to happen actually happens bewteen now and the 23rd (pass travel & negotiations falling again)...leave that out of the cockpit and do the professional thing and call-in if you are so mad at the company that your ability to operate safely is in question.
I don't know a single person at this company who will be psychologically or physically fit to fly if we simultaneously get hosed once again at the negotiating table AND lose our travel benefits at the same time...
When was the last time your read the writing (and the regs) on the back of your medical?
If you haven't done so recently, I highly suggest you do so, and I highly suggest you consider your fitness to fly if/when our benefits are pulled and if/when we don't get a TA this time.
This is not some bs exaggeration...most of us will truly be too angry to fly if what I think is going to happen actually happens bewteen now and the 23rd (pass travel & negotiations falling again)...leave that out of the cockpit and do the professional thing and call-in if you are so mad at the company that your ability to operate safely is in question.
06-01-2009, 10:21 PM
#38
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For those who don't know, here's the new travel program for Pinnacle:
(I cannot believe we are now being reprimanded for exceeding the 3 'travel days'!!!)
Delta and Northwest will launch their integrated travel program on June 23, 2009.
Annual Activation Fee
In order to utilize your pass travel privileges, you must pay an Annual Activation Fee. A single $50 fee covers you and your eligible pass riders (Employee, Spouse, Domestic Partner & Dependents).The annual activation fee is paid by credit or debit card on-line via Delta�s TravelNet program. (Instructions for TravelNet are explained later under Using Your Travel.)
Eligible Pass Riders
As an active Pinnacle employee, you are considered the Primary Pass Rider for pass travel privileges. You will have a Primary Pass Rider (PPR) number assigned to you. The PPR number is a 9 digit number that will start with 3500 then your 5 digit Pinnacle employee number. If your Pinnacle employee number only has 4 digits, add a leading zero. If your Pinnacle employee number has only 3 digits add 2 leading zeros. You will need the PPR number to list on any flight within the Delta or Northwest system and to access Delta�s TravelNet self-service application. Instructions for TravelNet are explained later under the Using Your Travel section. The new travel program will offer travel to certain members of your family after paying a $50 activation fee. These family members include:
The employee, spouse and dependents will be allowed unlimited free travel in coach, first, or business class on all domestic flights regardless of job classification. The first and business class service charges charged by NWA will be eliminated.
International travel for Employee/Spouse/Dependent
Each eligible traveler (employee, spouse, and dependent) will be allowed 3 International flight days. International taxes apply and will be payroll deducted. One flight day is a calendar day on which a pass rider has traveled on a flight scheduled to depart on that calendar day. Regardless of the number of departures on a calendar day, as long as all flights flown are scheduled to depart on the same calendar day, the allotment will be decremented by only one flight day. For flight day purposes, the date of departure is determined by the scheduled (not actual) departure time.
Example 1: Tina departs ATL for CDG on July 5 Atlanta time. The flight arrives CDG on July 6 however this only deducts one international flight day because the flight departed on July 5. Arrival time/date does not affect international flight days. Tina returns to ATL on July 10. She arrives and departs in the same day. Another day is deducted for an international flight day. The round trip took 2 international flight days.
After the allotted 3 international flight days are used, eligible travelers may continue to travel on international flights by purchasing ZED fare tickets. Travel to Asia, Europe, Africa, Australia, Central and South America will deduct against your International travel days. Unlimited travel is allowed to the Caribbean, Canada, and Mexico; however international taxes apply. Pass allotments can be found on TravelNet. When a day has been used, it will be reflected under �My Account� in TravelNet. If an eligible traveler uses more than their 3 international flight days, then the employee will be subject to a service charge by Delta and disciplinary action. The service charge will be determined by Delta and will be payroll deducted. The pass bureau will not have the ability to determine the service charge assessed by Delta. It is the employee�s responsibility to keep track of their international flight days for each of their eligible travelers.
Domestic Partner
Delta will allow opposite and same gender domestic partner travel starting June 23. The domestic partner�s dependent children will also be eligible. The domestic partner and domestic partner�s dependent children will be charged the yield fare rate. Yield fares must be purchased by credit or debit card through TravelNet prior to traveling. The yield fare averages from $0.02 to $0.04 per mile plus applicable taxes. To calculate the cost of a yield fare, the employee will need to list through TravelNet. The pass bureau will not have the ability to calculate yield fare rates. Fares must be obtained through TravelNet. The domestic partner is allowed unlimited travel on domestic flights at the yield fare rate. The domestic partner is allowed 3 international flight days at the yield fare rate. After the 3rd international flight day has been used, the domestic partner will need to purchase a ZED fare for international travel.
If listings are made through the toll free listing numbers then the payment process will vary. If you list for a Delta flight via the Delta toll free number, you will be prompted to pay for the ticket at the ticket counter prior to traveling. If you list for a NWA flight via the NWA toll free number, the fare will be payroll deducted after you travel. Toll free listing numbers can be found in the Q & A section.
Parents
Parent travel will now be at the ZED high rate for travel on all NWA and Delta flights beginning June 23.
Parent Travel Procedures
An on-line request form is currently available to request price quotes or ticketing shells. Use this on-line form to request all parent travel including NWA, Delta and all other airline (OAL) travel agreements.
Boarding Priority
Your boarding priority is determined by your standby code and your seniority date. Delta will use their program for the stand-by codes.
Delta travel codes
S3 Travel. Pinnacle employee/spouse/domestic partner/dependent will travel at S3 on Pinnacle operated flights. Delta & NWA employees will travel at S3 on Pinnacle flights. Boarding will be based on seniority with all Delta/NWA/Pinnacle employees mixed in.
S3C Travel. Pinnacle employee/spouse/dependent/domestic partner will travel at S3C on Delta or any other Delta connection carrier.
S4 Travel. Pinnacle parents will travel at S4 on all Delta or Delta connection flights.
The NWA travel codes will be realigned to match the Delta travel codes effective June 23.
Service Fees
Pass riders including parents will continue to have their 1st and 2nd checked bag fees waived, except in markets that have restrictions in place for operational reasons. The embargoes can be found on TravelNet under News & Info > Pass Travel Alerts.
Delta will now waive the current carry-on pet fees for pass riders (employee, spouse, domestic partner & dependent). ZED pass travelers (parents) will not be exempt from the carry-on pet fee.
Companion (Buddy Pass) Travel & Registered Travel Companion
The companion (buddy pass) and registered travel companion programs will be eliminated effective June 23. Delta will not be offering buddy pass travel to Pinnacle employees. This includes eliminating the companion program on NWA, Compass, Mesaba & Pinnacle flights effective June 23. All companion (buddy pass and registered travel companion) travel needs to be completed by June 22. . If companions do not complete travel by June 22, they risk the possibility of purchasing a full fare revenue ticket to complete their itinerary. The pass bureau will not be able to assist any companions who do not complete travel by this date.
Fly Confirmed for Less (Positive space discount) program
This program will be eliminated for Pinnacle employees effective June 23. Employees will no longer be able to purchase discounted confirmed space tickets on or after June 23.
Delta�s Non-dependent program
Delta will not be offering the non-dependent program to Pinnacle employees.
Reduced Rate travel on other airlines
Pinnacle employees will continue to be covered under NWA�s other airline agreements. Parents will need to obtain ticketing shells to purchase paper tickets for other airline travel through the Pinnacle Pass Bureau, since parent information will no longer be in the NWA system. The on-line or fax request form should be used to set up travel for parents on OAL (other airlines). See parent section for ticketing procedures.
Retiree Travel
Retirees will be required to buy ZED fares for travel on all flights within the NWA and Delta system. ZED fares will be set up by the Pinnacle pass bureau.
Company Business Travel
On TravelNet, you will find a section titled CoBus Travel which stands for company business travel. This should only be used by management employees who are authorized for company business travel. If any employee books any unauthorized company business travel, the employee will be subject to disciplinary action up to and including termination.
(I cannot believe we are now being reprimanded for exceeding the 3 'travel days'!!!)
Delta and Northwest will launch their integrated travel program on June 23, 2009.
Annual Activation Fee
In order to utilize your pass travel privileges, you must pay an Annual Activation Fee. A single $50 fee covers you and your eligible pass riders (Employee, Spouse, Domestic Partner & Dependents).The annual activation fee is paid by credit or debit card on-line via Delta�s TravelNet program. (Instructions for TravelNet are explained later under Using Your Travel.)
- The activation fee is paid annually based on the employee�s anniversary date with Pinnacle Airlines. Example: You have a hire date of March 1, 2009. You would like to travel after June 23, 2009 therefore you would pay your activation fee on or after June 23. After your anniversary date next year, March 1, 2010, you will be required to pay the activation fee again to continue pass travel privilege. The activation fee will not be prorated.
- The activation fee is nonrefundable, even if the Primary Pass Rider loses eligibility before non-revenue leisure travel has been used.
- The activation fee is not required for company business travel
Eligible Pass Riders
As an active Pinnacle employee, you are considered the Primary Pass Rider for pass travel privileges. You will have a Primary Pass Rider (PPR) number assigned to you. The PPR number is a 9 digit number that will start with 3500 then your 5 digit Pinnacle employee number. If your Pinnacle employee number only has 4 digits, add a leading zero. If your Pinnacle employee number has only 3 digits add 2 leading zeros. You will need the PPR number to list on any flight within the Delta or Northwest system and to access Delta�s TravelNet self-service application. Instructions for TravelNet are explained later under the Using Your Travel section. The new travel program will offer travel to certain members of your family after paying a $50 activation fee. These family members include:
- Spouse
- Domestic Partner (Same or opposite gender). The domestic partner will be required to pay a yield fare to travel. (Explained later under domestic partner)
- Minor dependent children under age 19
- Dependent children age 19 up to age 23 are eligible if they have never been married and are full time students. Once a dependent turns 23, the dependent will no longer be eligible for pass travel as a dependent. Dependents that are currently 23 years of age will no longer have travel privileges effective June 23. This includes all travel within NWA and Delta systems.
The employee, spouse and dependents will be allowed unlimited free travel in coach, first, or business class on all domestic flights regardless of job classification. The first and business class service charges charged by NWA will be eliminated.
International travel for Employee/Spouse/Dependent
Each eligible traveler (employee, spouse, and dependent) will be allowed 3 International flight days. International taxes apply and will be payroll deducted. One flight day is a calendar day on which a pass rider has traveled on a flight scheduled to depart on that calendar day. Regardless of the number of departures on a calendar day, as long as all flights flown are scheduled to depart on the same calendar day, the allotment will be decremented by only one flight day. For flight day purposes, the date of departure is determined by the scheduled (not actual) departure time.
Example 1: Tina departs ATL for CDG on July 5 Atlanta time. The flight arrives CDG on July 6 however this only deducts one international flight day because the flight departed on July 5. Arrival time/date does not affect international flight days. Tina returns to ATL on July 10. She arrives and departs in the same day. Another day is deducted for an international flight day. The round trip took 2 international flight days.
After the allotted 3 international flight days are used, eligible travelers may continue to travel on international flights by purchasing ZED fare tickets. Travel to Asia, Europe, Africa, Australia, Central and South America will deduct against your International travel days. Unlimited travel is allowed to the Caribbean, Canada, and Mexico; however international taxes apply. Pass allotments can be found on TravelNet. When a day has been used, it will be reflected under �My Account� in TravelNet. If an eligible traveler uses more than their 3 international flight days, then the employee will be subject to a service charge by Delta and disciplinary action. The service charge will be determined by Delta and will be payroll deducted. The pass bureau will not have the ability to determine the service charge assessed by Delta. It is the employee�s responsibility to keep track of their international flight days for each of their eligible travelers.
Domestic Partner
Delta will allow opposite and same gender domestic partner travel starting June 23. The domestic partner�s dependent children will also be eligible. The domestic partner and domestic partner�s dependent children will be charged the yield fare rate. Yield fares must be purchased by credit or debit card through TravelNet prior to traveling. The yield fare averages from $0.02 to $0.04 per mile plus applicable taxes. To calculate the cost of a yield fare, the employee will need to list through TravelNet. The pass bureau will not have the ability to calculate yield fare rates. Fares must be obtained through TravelNet. The domestic partner is allowed unlimited travel on domestic flights at the yield fare rate. The domestic partner is allowed 3 international flight days at the yield fare rate. After the 3rd international flight day has been used, the domestic partner will need to purchase a ZED fare for international travel.
If listings are made through the toll free listing numbers then the payment process will vary. If you list for a Delta flight via the Delta toll free number, you will be prompted to pay for the ticket at the ticket counter prior to traveling. If you list for a NWA flight via the NWA toll free number, the fare will be payroll deducted after you travel. Toll free listing numbers can be found in the Q & A section.
Parents
Parent travel will now be at the ZED high rate for travel on all NWA and Delta flights beginning June 23.
- Parents will no longer be in the NWA travel system effective June 23.
- Parents will not be listed in Delta�s TravelNet program.
- All ZED fare ticketing shells will be created by the Pinnacle Pass Bureau. Once a ticketing shell is created by the pass bureau, the parent can purchase the ticket at the NWA ticket counter. Tickets can not be purchased at the Delta ticket counter.
- Parents will be required to purchase ZED fares for travel on Pinnacle, Northwest, Mesaba, Compass, Delta, Comair, ASA, Skywest, Chautauqua, Freedom, & Shuttle America flights.
- ZED fares for travel on Delta and Northwest will be in economy coach class. First or Business class will not be allowed. If the flight is full in economy it will be the gate agent�s discretion to allow first or business class.
- ZED fares are valid for 90 days
- All unused ZED fare tickets should be sent to NWA to process a refund.
Parent Travel Procedures
An on-line request form is currently available to request price quotes or ticketing shells. Use this on-line form to request all parent travel including NWA, Delta and all other airline (OAL) travel agreements.
- Go to the Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Welcome employee website
- Click on Travel > Pass Bureau > Parent travel request form
- Complete the request form. If requesting a price only, no flight numbers are required. Type �open� in the flight number box.
- If �Need Price Only� is selected, the pass bureau will email the employee back the price quote. Allow 3-5 business days for processing. If �Need ticketing shell� is selected, the pass bureau will set up the ticketing shell for the parent to purchase at the NWA ticket counter. Tickets can not be purchased at the Delta ticket counter. If flight numbers are provided for travel on NWA or Delta, the pass bureau will also list the parent on the requested flight. If flight numbers are not known at that time, type �open� in the flight number box. Allow 3-5 business days for processing.
Boarding Priority
Your boarding priority is determined by your standby code and your seniority date. Delta will use their program for the stand-by codes.
Delta travel codes
S3 Travel. Pinnacle employee/spouse/domestic partner/dependent will travel at S3 on Pinnacle operated flights. Delta & NWA employees will travel at S3 on Pinnacle flights. Boarding will be based on seniority with all Delta/NWA/Pinnacle employees mixed in.
S3C Travel. Pinnacle employee/spouse/dependent/domestic partner will travel at S3C on Delta or any other Delta connection carrier.
S4 Travel. Pinnacle parents will travel at S4 on all Delta or Delta connection flights.
The NWA travel codes will be realigned to match the Delta travel codes effective June 23.
Service Fees
Pass riders including parents will continue to have their 1st and 2nd checked bag fees waived, except in markets that have restrictions in place for operational reasons. The embargoes can be found on TravelNet under News & Info > Pass Travel Alerts.
Delta will now waive the current carry-on pet fees for pass riders (employee, spouse, domestic partner & dependent). ZED pass travelers (parents) will not be exempt from the carry-on pet fee.
Companion (Buddy Pass) Travel & Registered Travel Companion
The companion (buddy pass) and registered travel companion programs will be eliminated effective June 23. Delta will not be offering buddy pass travel to Pinnacle employees. This includes eliminating the companion program on NWA, Compass, Mesaba & Pinnacle flights effective June 23. All companion (buddy pass and registered travel companion) travel needs to be completed by June 22. . If companions do not complete travel by June 22, they risk the possibility of purchasing a full fare revenue ticket to complete their itinerary. The pass bureau will not be able to assist any companions who do not complete travel by this date.
Fly Confirmed for Less (Positive space discount) program
This program will be eliminated for Pinnacle employees effective June 23. Employees will no longer be able to purchase discounted confirmed space tickets on or after June 23.
Delta�s Non-dependent program
Delta will not be offering the non-dependent program to Pinnacle employees.
Reduced Rate travel on other airlines
Pinnacle employees will continue to be covered under NWA�s other airline agreements. Parents will need to obtain ticketing shells to purchase paper tickets for other airline travel through the Pinnacle Pass Bureau, since parent information will no longer be in the NWA system. The on-line or fax request form should be used to set up travel for parents on OAL (other airlines). See parent section for ticketing procedures.
Retiree Travel
Retirees will be required to buy ZED fares for travel on all flights within the NWA and Delta system. ZED fares will be set up by the Pinnacle pass bureau.
Company Business Travel
On TravelNet, you will find a section titled CoBus Travel which stands for company business travel. This should only be used by management employees who are authorized for company business travel. If any employee books any unauthorized company business travel, the employee will be subject to disciplinary action up to and including termination.
06-01-2009, 10:36 PM
#39
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Joined APC: May 2008
Posts: 103
So does this mean that after the 3 free flight days are used, I can just purchase a ZED ticket on OAL and NOT be subject to disciplinary action? (ie. go to Sydney once on DL, Costa Rica once on DL and Narita on American Airlines ZED ticket) without the association on the 3 days crap attached? This is unbelievable!!!!!!
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