New Pinnacle Pass program
06-02-2009 | 06:58 AM
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It's not so much PT as it is RA... All connection carriers are getting the shaft in this merger, and we haven't even started parking airframes from it yet. Just look at the Comair shafting for what's to come for us former red tails.
06-02-2009 | 08:40 AM
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Goooooooood God...I knew we'd be flying lower than XJ and CZ on mainline, which is fine (you're wholly owned, we're not, so it's fair) but DOH on our own aircraft? Including the 900s that we actually own??? I think my blood pressure is too high to work now...I better call in sick...Jesus.
What really really sucks is the company's re-interpretation of our contract language that provides for parental and buddy pass travel on 9E-operated flights...they're now saying that we have to pay for Zed High on our planes...but the contract says parents fly free on our planes...9E has re-interpreted it as "PINNACLE is not charging your parents for pass travel on 9E flights...DELTA is charging your parents for pass travel on 9E flights."
It's like getting a free coffee coupon for Starbucks, but you show up and they say "that'll be $2.50...Starbucks is giving you a free cup of coffee, but the coffee supplier is charging you $2.50."
What really really sucks is the company's re-interpretation of our contract language that provides for parental and buddy pass travel on 9E-operated flights...they're now saying that we have to pay for Zed High on our planes...but the contract says parents fly free on our planes...9E has re-interpreted it as "PINNACLE is not charging your parents for pass travel on 9E flights...DELTA is charging your parents for pass travel on 9E flights."
It's like getting a free coffee coupon for Starbucks, but you show up and they say "that'll be $2.50...Starbucks is giving you a free cup of coffee, but the coffee supplier is charging you $2.50."
06-02-2009 | 12:31 PM
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I'll bite blondie 
1....sounds like a 2 year old in a grocery store throwing a tantrum when his mom won't buy him gummy bears.
2. I'm 35 and i'll be the first to STFD. And most of my 30 + friends are the same. We have learned there are ways to get things we want besides whining on an anon internet board or *****ing in the cockpit to your FO/CA. Join the union, etc. there are other ways to focus your energy. In general, I've found that guys who whine and b*tch on message boards or in the cocoon of the cockpit are the guys least willing to join/help out the union or fellow pilots. US "X'ers" are silent but deadly, not just rolling over. Who wins the bar fight....the guy who makes alot of noise and gets his arse kicked or the guy who uses mind control/psychology and goes home with the bully's girl? See FNFAL's post for ways to help our cause without *****ing and whining all about it. I have seen 2 of our most vocal STFD'ers pick up open time and fly while sick. And answer their phone in the hopes of that 125% jr man call. Even had one just a few days ago help the understaffed ramp unload/load bags at the outstation so HE could try to get us out ON TIME. and he was early 20's.
3. work hard or study hard or buy your way into a job.
4. Jet U etc....I can buy my way into another job if we STFD.
Those with ATP already.....it took us alot of hard work to get this job, and it will take an equal amount of hard work to get another job if we STFD. Doing something about the industry.....it can be said the program guys/low time gen Y'ers are the ones who changed the industry for the worse, and they should be the ones that should be trying to change it for the better. It's not my fault they spent tens of thousands to chase quick PIC time and got stuck in a rut.
5. I know I always fight harder for something that I earned, rather than something that I felt I was entitled to and didn't hear the words no for.
disclaimer.....all these views arent necessarily the way I personally feel and isn't meant to bash low timers/program guys, just giving the poster possible answers to the questions he posed.
1....sounds like a 2 year old in a grocery store throwing a tantrum when his mom won't buy him gummy bears.
2. I'm 35 and i'll be the first to STFD. And most of my 30 + friends are the same. We have learned there are ways to get things we want besides whining on an anon internet board or *****ing in the cockpit to your FO/CA. Join the union, etc. there are other ways to focus your energy. In general, I've found that guys who whine and b*tch on message boards or in the cocoon of the cockpit are the guys least willing to join/help out the union or fellow pilots. US "X'ers" are silent but deadly, not just rolling over. Who wins the bar fight....the guy who makes alot of noise and gets his arse kicked or the guy who uses mind control/psychology and goes home with the bully's girl? See FNFAL's post for ways to help our cause without *****ing and whining all about it. I have seen 2 of our most vocal STFD'ers pick up open time and fly while sick. And answer their phone in the hopes of that 125% jr man call. Even had one just a few days ago help the understaffed ramp unload/load bags at the outstation so HE could try to get us out ON TIME. and he was early 20's.
3. work hard or study hard or buy your way into a job.
4. Jet U etc....I can buy my way into another job if we STFD.
Those with ATP already.....it took us alot of hard work to get this job, and it will take an equal amount of hard work to get another job if we STFD. Doing something about the industry.....it can be said the program guys/low time gen Y'ers are the ones who changed the industry for the worse, and they should be the ones that should be trying to change it for the better. It's not my fault they spent tens of thousands to chase quick PIC time and got stuck in a rut.
5. I know I always fight harder for something that I earned, rather than something that I felt I was entitled to and didn't hear the words no for.
disclaimer.....all these views arent necessarily the way I personally feel and isn't meant to bash low timers/program guys, just giving the poster possible answers to the questions he posed.
Wasn't a fan of that part so thanks for the disclaimer.
Just flew with a 13 year Cpt here last night who said he and many others had to pay 10k for training when they started here. And had low time. The cycle started before Y.......Not trying to get off track here. Back to the task at hand........
06-02-2009 | 01:12 PM
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06-02-2009 | 01:18 PM
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Wasn't a fan of that part so thanks for the disclaimer. Just flew with a 13 year Cpt here last night who said he and many others had to pay 10k for training when they started here. And had low time. The cycle started before Y.......Not trying to get off track here. Back to the task at hand........
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Just flew with a 13 year Cpt here last night who said he and many others had to pay 10k for training when they started here. And had low time. The cycle started before Y.......Not trying to get off track here. Back to the task at hand........[/color]
no prob. I'm probably one of the few relatively senior guys here that might argue that a program like Gulfstream etc. may prepare one for this job just as well as 2000 hours flying a VFR traffic pattern around Podunk, MS. with a student.....it's generally always been the individual to me, not their place of training.
let the hatred/debate begin
06-02-2009 | 01:30 PM
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