Midwest is to be owned by RAH.
06-23-2009 | 01:31 PM
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One possible ray of hope is that RAH will also own Airbus types of Frontier. Those planes will have a higher seat capacity and therefore a higher pay rate will exist. Midwest pilots may have a way to recapture a decent wage. Only time and integration will tell.
06-23-2009 | 01:33 PM
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I don't work for RAH, and I have plenty of pride.
Self-immolation is quite popular for pilots to talk about on a message board, but the funny thing about "burning it down" is despite the talk, few seem actually willing to follow through with it.
If you choose unemployment (you always have that option), then best of luck...
Self-immolation is quite popular for pilots to talk about on a message board, but the funny thing about "burning it down" is despite the talk, few seem actually willing to follow through with it.
If you choose unemployment (you always have that option), then best of luck...
06-23-2009 | 01:34 PM
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Possibly, but they are not really that cheap to operate compared to an airbus. If you remember Frontier cut RAH's contract in BK because REP was bleeding cash. At that point who really cares.
06-23-2009 | 01:36 PM
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06-23-2009 | 01:39 PM
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Here comes SWA............
Southwest Airlines Announces Fares and Flights To/From Milwaukee
Carrier Will Operate 12 Daily Nonstop Flights on Boeing 737 Aircraft to Six Destinations
Beginning November 1, 2009 with Fares as Low as $35 one-way
DALLAS, June 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- We're going to do it our way--the Southwest Way! Beginning November 1, 2009, Southwest Airlines will connect Milwaukee to the nation's largest airline network bringing legendary Customer Service and Low-Fare Value to fee-weary and under-served travelers across Southeast Wisconsin.
The airline will begin service with a dozen daily nonstop flights to six destinations: 3 to Baltimore/Washington, 3 to Kansas City, 2 to Las Vegas, 2 to Orlando, 1 to Phoenix, and 1 to Tampa Bay. Southwest is offering all of these new flights with fares as low as $35 one-way (when purchased by June 26th), recognizing Wisconsin's place as the 35th state to join the Southwest network. After the 26th, enjoy Southwest's low introductory fares from $49 to $99 to all nonstop destinations (see all fare rules below).
The fares and schedule are available for purchase today on Southwest Airlines
"That's $35 to get from Milwaukee to all six of these cities -- It's On!" said Teresa Laraba, Southwest's Vice President of Ground Operations, this morning at a news conference outside the Milwaukee Art Museum. "While other airlines have taken away options and added fees, our new Milwaukee service will stand apart in many ways. Milwaukeeans should know that we're here to serve and we're here to stay! We can't wait to introduce our legendary Customer Service, as well as our low fares and on time flights to new Customers across Wisconsin and Northern Illinois who've been asking for Southwest service for many years."
In addition to the 12 daily nonstop flights, Southwest Airlines' new service out of Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport will offer direct (same plane) or connecting service to 49 other destinations throughout the Southwest Network. Southwest Airlines will operate from two gates in Terminal D at Mitchell, and will have about 40 fulltime Employees.
"Southwest has a loyal following and many cities covet attracting their service," said Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker. "We can't be more pleased they chose Milwaukee."
Milwaukee County Supervisors Lee Holloway and Michael Mayo, Sr., said, "This added service will build off Mitchell Airport's reputation as one of the most effective and efficient airports in the United States."
When shopping for Southwest online, it's important to know that Southwest Airlines' low fares are available only at Southwest Airlines. Not only will Customers find Southwest's great online rates, but the site also hosts Southwest's Travel Guide where Customers can check out travel tips posted by those who frequent Southeastern Wisconsin. For an insider's look into the new Milwaukee Service, a long-time Southwest Employee and native Wisconsinite writes about growing up in Southwest's newest state on Southwest's blog--Nuts About Southwest. To view her post, visit: Blogs | Nuts About Southwest rs.
After 38 years of service, Southwest Airlines, the nation's leading low-fare carrier, continues to stand above other airlines -- offering a reliable product with exemplary Customer Service and the Nation's largest airline network exclusively utilizing Boeing 737 aircraft. Southwest Airlines is the most productive airline in the sky and offers Customers a comfortable traveling experience with all premium leather seats and plenty of legroom. Southwest recently updated its gate areas and improved its boarding procedure to make flying Southwest Airlines even more convenient. Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV), the nation's largest carrier in terms of domestic passengers enplaned, currently serves 65 cities in 33 states. Based in Dallas, Southwest currently operates more than 3,300 flights a day and has more than 35,000 Employees systemwide.
Fare Rules
The sale fares between Milwaukee Mitchell Airport and Baltimore/Washington, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Orlando, Phoenix, and Tampa Bay are available on southwest.com or swabiz.com. Customers must purchase from June 23 through June 26, 2009, and before 11:59 pm (PST) for travel November 1 - November 18, 2009. Fares valid on nonstop service only. Other introductory fares from $49 - $99 one-way will be on sale through July 30, 2009, for travel through December 17, 2009, excluding November 24 - November 25 and November 29 - November 30. Travel valid everyday except Fridays and Sundays. Fares do not include federal excise tax of $3.60 per take off and landing. Fares do not include airport-assessed passenger facility charges (PFC) of up to $9.00 and government-imposed September 11th Security Fee of up to $5.00 one-way. Seats are limited. Fares may vary by flight and day of week and won't be available on some flights that operate during very busy travel times and holiday periods. Fares are available for one-way travel. Fares may be combined with other combinable fares. Fares are not combinable with Senior Fares. When combining fares, all rules and restrictions apply. Fares are nonrefundable but may be applied toward the purchase of future travel on Southwest Airlines. Fares are not available through Group Desk. Any change in itinerary may result in an increase in fare. Standby travel requires an upgrade to the Anytime fare. Fares are subject to change until ticketed.
SOURCE
Southwest Airlines
Southwest Airlines Announces Fares and Flights To/From Milwaukee
Carrier Will Operate 12 Daily Nonstop Flights on Boeing 737 Aircraft to Six Destinations
Beginning November 1, 2009 with Fares as Low as $35 one-way
DALLAS, June 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- We're going to do it our way--the Southwest Way! Beginning November 1, 2009, Southwest Airlines will connect Milwaukee to the nation's largest airline network bringing legendary Customer Service and Low-Fare Value to fee-weary and under-served travelers across Southeast Wisconsin.
The airline will begin service with a dozen daily nonstop flights to six destinations: 3 to Baltimore/Washington, 3 to Kansas City, 2 to Las Vegas, 2 to Orlando, 1 to Phoenix, and 1 to Tampa Bay. Southwest is offering all of these new flights with fares as low as $35 one-way (when purchased by June 26th), recognizing Wisconsin's place as the 35th state to join the Southwest network. After the 26th, enjoy Southwest's low introductory fares from $49 to $99 to all nonstop destinations (see all fare rules below).
The fares and schedule are available for purchase today on Southwest Airlines
"That's $35 to get from Milwaukee to all six of these cities -- It's On!" said Teresa Laraba, Southwest's Vice President of Ground Operations, this morning at a news conference outside the Milwaukee Art Museum. "While other airlines have taken away options and added fees, our new Milwaukee service will stand apart in many ways. Milwaukeeans should know that we're here to serve and we're here to stay! We can't wait to introduce our legendary Customer Service, as well as our low fares and on time flights to new Customers across Wisconsin and Northern Illinois who've been asking for Southwest service for many years."
In addition to the 12 daily nonstop flights, Southwest Airlines' new service out of Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport will offer direct (same plane) or connecting service to 49 other destinations throughout the Southwest Network. Southwest Airlines will operate from two gates in Terminal D at Mitchell, and will have about 40 fulltime Employees.
"Southwest has a loyal following and many cities covet attracting their service," said Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker. "We can't be more pleased they chose Milwaukee."
Milwaukee County Supervisors Lee Holloway and Michael Mayo, Sr., said, "This added service will build off Mitchell Airport's reputation as one of the most effective and efficient airports in the United States."
When shopping for Southwest online, it's important to know that Southwest Airlines' low fares are available only at Southwest Airlines. Not only will Customers find Southwest's great online rates, but the site also hosts Southwest's Travel Guide where Customers can check out travel tips posted by those who frequent Southeastern Wisconsin. For an insider's look into the new Milwaukee Service, a long-time Southwest Employee and native Wisconsinite writes about growing up in Southwest's newest state on Southwest's blog--Nuts About Southwest. To view her post, visit: Blogs | Nuts About Southwest rs.
After 38 years of service, Southwest Airlines, the nation's leading low-fare carrier, continues to stand above other airlines -- offering a reliable product with exemplary Customer Service and the Nation's largest airline network exclusively utilizing Boeing 737 aircraft. Southwest Airlines is the most productive airline in the sky and offers Customers a comfortable traveling experience with all premium leather seats and plenty of legroom. Southwest recently updated its gate areas and improved its boarding procedure to make flying Southwest Airlines even more convenient. Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV), the nation's largest carrier in terms of domestic passengers enplaned, currently serves 65 cities in 33 states. Based in Dallas, Southwest currently operates more than 3,300 flights a day and has more than 35,000 Employees systemwide.
Fare Rules
The sale fares between Milwaukee Mitchell Airport and Baltimore/Washington, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Orlando, Phoenix, and Tampa Bay are available on southwest.com or swabiz.com. Customers must purchase from June 23 through June 26, 2009, and before 11:59 pm (PST) for travel November 1 - November 18, 2009. Fares valid on nonstop service only. Other introductory fares from $49 - $99 one-way will be on sale through July 30, 2009, for travel through December 17, 2009, excluding November 24 - November 25 and November 29 - November 30. Travel valid everyday except Fridays and Sundays. Fares do not include federal excise tax of $3.60 per take off and landing. Fares do not include airport-assessed passenger facility charges (PFC) of up to $9.00 and government-imposed September 11th Security Fee of up to $5.00 one-way. Seats are limited. Fares may vary by flight and day of week and won't be available on some flights that operate during very busy travel times and holiday periods. Fares are available for one-way travel. Fares may be combined with other combinable fares. Fares are not combinable with Senior Fares. When combining fares, all rules and restrictions apply. Fares are nonrefundable but may be applied toward the purchase of future travel on Southwest Airlines. Fares are not available through Group Desk. Any change in itinerary may result in an increase in fare. Standby travel requires an upgrade to the Anytime fare. Fares are subject to change until ticketed.
SOURCE
Southwest Airlines
YESSSS....Way to go southwest...BURN THEM TO THE GROUND.
06-23-2009 | 01:41 PM
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What chance do pilots have at making mainline wages when RAH pilots are willing to fly mainline aircraft at regional pay? Now they are buying Frontier?? and Midwest?? So when are we going to have new hire FOs flying an Airbus A320 for $23.00? Oh, but wait!!! They have a job! they aren't on the street! Right??!!
Capt. Pay (Year 5) E190
Jet Blue - $131
RAH - $77! ($8 more than a 50 seat RJ Capt... who by the way, probably makes more money because of better work rules)
Capt. Pay (Year 5) E190
Jet Blue - $131
RAH - $77! ($8 more than a 50 seat RJ Capt... who by the way, probably makes more money because of better work rules)
06-23-2009 | 01:41 PM
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Playing a victim. Blaming others for the crappy circumstances surrounding yoru employment Taking no responsibility for your own actions or your own situation. Refusing to see any upside to what admittedly is a crappy situation. Grasping at straws and jumping to conclusions that neither labor law, past practice, or pilot contracts support. Regurgitating revisionist history that fits your ignorant and biased view of reality. Generally acting like *****y schoolgirls instead of professionals.
As an outsider, I can evaluate the situation with a little bit of objectivity that you and 99% of other posters severely lack.
But if you want to think I have no pride and am contributing to the decline of the airline industry (as a corporate pilot who chaired one ALPA committee and served another at Air Wisconsin), then knock yourself out bud.
Again, if you chose voluntary unemployment instead of working within the system in conjunction with the RAH pilot group for the best possible outcome of this mess for you and all F9/MEH pilots, that is your prerogative. I happen to think it'd be stupidly prideful and a sign of resignation about one's destiny given the current economic situation...but if that's the path YOU choose, best of luck. You'll need it.
06-23-2009 | 01:49 PM
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No, people like YOU , and many people in this thread and on this forum, are making this industry the way it is.
Playing a victim. Blaming others for the crappy circumstances surrounding yoru employment Taking no responsibility for your own actions or your own situation. Refusing to see any upside to what admittedly is a crappy situation. Grasping at straws and jumping to conclusions that neither labor law, past practice, or pilot contracts support. Regurgitating revisionist history that fits your ignorant and biased view of reality. Generally acting like *****y schoolgirls instead of professionals.
As an outsider, I can evaluate the situation with a little bit of objectivity that you and 99% of other posters severely lack.
But if you want to think I have no pride and am contributing to the decline of the airline industry (as a corporate pilot who chaired one ALPA committee and served another at Air Wisconsin), then knock yourself out bud.
Again, if you chose voluntary unemployment instead of working within the system in conjunction with the RAH pilot group for the best possible outcome of this mess for you and all F9/MEH pilots, that is your prerogative. I happen to think it'd be stupidly prideful and a sign of resignation about one's destiny given the current economic situation...but if that's the path YOU choose, best of luck. You'll need it.
Playing a victim. Blaming others for the crappy circumstances surrounding yoru employment Taking no responsibility for your own actions or your own situation. Refusing to see any upside to what admittedly is a crappy situation. Grasping at straws and jumping to conclusions that neither labor law, past practice, or pilot contracts support. Regurgitating revisionist history that fits your ignorant and biased view of reality. Generally acting like *****y schoolgirls instead of professionals.
As an outsider, I can evaluate the situation with a little bit of objectivity that you and 99% of other posters severely lack.
But if you want to think I have no pride and am contributing to the decline of the airline industry (as a corporate pilot who chaired one ALPA committee and served another at Air Wisconsin), then knock yourself out bud.
Again, if you chose voluntary unemployment instead of working within the system in conjunction with the RAH pilot group for the best possible outcome of this mess for you and all F9/MEH pilots, that is your prerogative. I happen to think it'd be stupidly prideful and a sign of resignation about one's destiny given the current economic situation...but if that's the path YOU choose, best of luck. You'll need it.
06-23-2009 | 02:00 PM
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Here is the definition from Websters (I'm assuming they know a little about definitions) pay close attention to number 4. Remember $77 - $131
Main Entry:
1scab
Pronunciation:
\ˈskab\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch — more at shave
Date:
13th century
1: scabies of domestic animals
2: a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a: a contemptible person b (1): a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2): a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3): a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4): one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
4: any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots ; also : one of the spots
Main Entry:
1scab
Pronunciation:
\ˈskab\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch — more at shave
Date:
13th century
1: scabies of domestic animals
2: a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a: a contemptible person b (1): a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2): a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3): a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4): one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
4: any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots ; also : one of the spots
So what makes unionized RAH pilots (who, to this point, have been paid in-line with their regional airline peers) more scabby than the rest?
And how the hell does your dictionary definition (which is different than the generally-accepted airline definition of a picket crosser) apply to me?
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