Midwest is to be owned by RAH.
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With as much DEBT that Bedford is putting on Republic....BK is a very real possibility for them. I don't think anyone on here realizes how bad this can be.
They will be crushed when they go to compete against any of the Major airlines....and yes, AirTran too will hand them their winglet.
They will be crushed when they go to compete against any of the Major airlines....and yes, AirTran too will hand them their winglet.
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#72
AB don't go jumping to conclusions. There's no reason for them to accept any concessions. At least the current rates would stay.
As far as seniority list goes this will be a hard process to hash out. Don't get me wrong I feel for both pilot groups but it was their airlines that ended ended up failing. Midex and Frontier would both have vanished a while back had they not acquired additional funding from RAH. These airlines are not being merged they are being bought. There's no reason that I should lose my % place to someone from another failing airline. If that's the case I'd rather them be cut lose and allowed to fail on their own. Just my personal opinions but "fair and equitable" to me is not tripling the amount of time it will be before I upgrade.
As far as seniority list goes this will be a hard process to hash out. Don't get me wrong I feel for both pilot groups but it was their airlines that ended ended up failing. Midex and Frontier would both have vanished a while back had they not acquired additional funding from RAH. These airlines are not being merged they are being bought. There's no reason that I should lose my % place to someone from another failing airline. If that's the case I'd rather them be cut lose and allowed to fail on their own. Just my personal opinions but "fair and equitable" to me is not tripling the amount of time it will be before I upgrade.
#73
Why? Because the second they hit our seniority list they are afforded the luxuries it provides us. Once they are on our seniority list they could furlough next day and several of our pilot are now the street that shouldn't been. We have due paying members in our airline that I think it's the responsibility of the company and union to look after first. 1000 pilots join our seniority list but we only need 500 and instead of furloughing out of that batch we're now putting a pile of our own out there.
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You're wrong. Bedford even said on WTMJ today that this was a "merger". A relative % merger is the most fair in most eyes I would hope (this coming from someone near the bottom at Midwest), with a fence regarding bases as I do not want to commute to BUF. That's the best I can wish for. All I know is we have a merger fund and attorneys will be hired for us.
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There's nothing merger about it. Midwest has been bought and paid for. It's debts and liabilities will be taken over by RAH. There's no merging. It's a new subsidiary for now. A relative % is bull. Someone 50% in your company coming in at 50% in ours is not going to happen. So after more of the 717's leave you think a "flowback" to displace RAH captains to the right seat is fair for us? Nope. I remember you saying several times that you've hoped RAH would fail and that you'd quit before working here. Start packing. You've done nothing but insult after insult and if you think I care at all about the commute you're going to have you're sadly mistaken.
Chance, your making RAH pilots look very very bad, how about a little "humble pie", I would venture to say these guys at Frontier and Midwest have been flying 121 long before your hard-on for Shiney planes
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This is how I see all of this playing:
Step one:
BB meets with UA and and renews the 50 flying, and might get more depending on how Mesa turns out, in exchange for removing UA competition in Denver (F9). United is happy and RAH has more contract flying.
Step 2:
BB goes to big daddy D and offers the F9 fleet for next to nothing in cash in exchange for the 36 175's at compass. DL is heavy on Wholly owned carriers and would be happy to burn Compass' cert. and sell/trade their planes to RAH. Delta contracts with RAH to operate the 36 175's out of MKE using all the assets (gates/slots) just aquired from Midwest. Delta instructs RAH to fend off Airtran out of MKE and RAH does it for cheap. (Delta does not care about Southwest in MKE, Southwest will to and from the west and DL will fly to and from the east.) Now DL is happy because they keep the "thorn in their side" (Airtran) from gaining ground in MKE, They got a 40+ Airbus fleet for cheap and one less Wholly owned to deal with. And...RAH has more 175's and more flying.
Everything I just said is just a way to make a point. People have said many times that the legacys are going to be upset about this. BB is a lot of things but dumb is not one of them. Do you think he made these deals, and tonight when he is brushing his teeth its going to hit him and he'll say.. uh oh...Delta might not like this???
I am one of those people who thinks there is something much bigger going on here. DL and UA are both in a position to benifit from all of this. I am not so sure that they were not FULLY aware of this before it happened and maybe "on board" with it.
I am mad/afraid.
Step one:
BB meets with UA and and renews the 50 flying, and might get more depending on how Mesa turns out, in exchange for removing UA competition in Denver (F9). United is happy and RAH has more contract flying.
Step 2:
BB goes to big daddy D and offers the F9 fleet for next to nothing in cash in exchange for the 36 175's at compass. DL is heavy on Wholly owned carriers and would be happy to burn Compass' cert. and sell/trade their planes to RAH. Delta contracts with RAH to operate the 36 175's out of MKE using all the assets (gates/slots) just aquired from Midwest. Delta instructs RAH to fend off Airtran out of MKE and RAH does it for cheap. (Delta does not care about Southwest in MKE, Southwest will to and from the west and DL will fly to and from the east.) Now DL is happy because they keep the "thorn in their side" (Airtran) from gaining ground in MKE, They got a 40+ Airbus fleet for cheap and one less Wholly owned to deal with. And...RAH has more 175's and more flying.
Everything I just said is just a way to make a point. People have said many times that the legacys are going to be upset about this. BB is a lot of things but dumb is not one of them. Do you think he made these deals, and tonight when he is brushing his teeth its going to hit him and he'll say.. uh oh...Delta might not like this???
I am one of those people who thinks there is something much bigger going on here. DL and UA are both in a position to benifit from all of this. I am not so sure that they were not FULLY aware of this before it happened and maybe "on board" with it.
I am mad/afraid.
Last edited by papa77; 06-23-2009 at 04:44 PM. Reason: sp
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There's nothing merger about it. Midwest has been bought and paid for. It's debts and liabilities will be taken over by RAH. There's no merging. It's a new subsidiary for now. A relative % is bull. Someone 50% in your company coming in at 50% in ours is not going to happen. So after more of the 717's leave you think a "flowback" to displace RAH captains to the right seat is fair for us? Nope. I remember you saying several times that you've hoped RAH would fail and that you'd quit before working here. Start packing. You've done nothing but insult after insult and if you think I care at all about the commute you're going to have you're sadly mistaken.
EVERY seat in the MKE and MCI domicile (MCI by percentage on Midwest ASM's versus total Republic ASM's in MCI) should be for 400 Midwest pilots FIRST. The same can be said for DEN wrt to F9 pilots.
Your career expectations at this point is all those 70/50 seaters and 2 E-190's (15 of which and 2 190's built off of cheap labor replacing our flying).
#79
I've gone completely out of my way by stating these are my opinions and not shared by anyone. It's not that I don't appreciate the situation but I came here for a reason and it wasn't to watch my position as an FO only get worse because we acquired a failing airline. In other words my life should not get worse or stagnate because another management ran their company into the ground. I've paid dues here since day one to protect my job stability, my rights for employment, and my place within the company. "Humble Pie" is picking up two pilots group and them flying their same airframes, maintaining their current seniority in base, and keeping them at their same payrates. If that's not a helping hand I don't know what is.
#80
RAH STILL sucks. Now I want a staple of the Duck below all. I still hope RAH fails, what makes you think that's changed?
EVERY seat in the MKE and MCI domicile (MCI by percentage on Midwest ASM's versus total Republic ASM's in MCI) should be for 400 Midwest pilots FIRST. The same can be said for DEN wrt to F9 pilots.
Your career expectations at this point is all those 70/50 seaters and 2 E-190's (15 of which and 2 190's built off of cheap labor replacing our flying).
EVERY seat in the MKE and MCI domicile (MCI by percentage on Midwest ASM's versus total Republic ASM's in MCI) should be for 400 Midwest pilots FIRST. The same can be said for DEN wrt to F9 pilots.
Your career expectations at this point is all those 70/50 seaters and 2 E-190's (15 of which and 2 190's built off of cheap labor replacing our flying).
Not to point out the obvious, but this would appear to apply to you as well, at this point.
(I understand your hostility, but the humor regarding the size of aircraft and long-term career with your integration into RAH was amusing).
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