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Old 06-23-2009 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Fletch727
Not to point out the obvious, but this would appear to apply to you as well, at this point.
Of course it is, as I said, I hope we FAIL. Midwest pilots held the line on their compensation and now are about to get 70% pay cuts shoved down our throat. Sorry to hurt Duck's feelings, but that's worth a lot more than his FO position on the seniority list.

It doesn't matter what I think, but what our attorney will negotiate for paid via our merger fund.

You think AWA/US Air has a hostile workforce? Wait till Bedford screws the 400 MEH and 700 Frontier pilots.
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Old 06-23-2009 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
RAH STILL sucks. Now I want a staple of the Duck below all. I still hope RAH fails, what makes you think that's changed?

EVERY seat in the MKE and MCI domicile (MCI by percentage on Midwest ASM's versus total Republic ASM's in MCI) should be for 400 Midwest pilots FIRST. The same can be said for DEN wrt to F9 pilots.

Your career expectations at this point is all those 70/50 seaters and 2 E-190's (15 of which and 2 190's built off of cheap labor replacing our flying).
Considering the fact you're junior even a % integration would put you on the right seat of an ERJ after the 717s are taken out of service.
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Old 06-23-2009 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
Of course it is, as I said, I hope we FAIL. Midwest pilots held the line on their compensation and now are about to get 70% pay cuts shoved down our throat. Sorry to hurt Duck's feelings, but that's worth a lot more than his FO position on the seniority list.

It doesn't matter what I think, but what our attorney will negotiate for paid via our merger fund.

You think AWA/US Air has a hostile workforce? Wait till Bedford screws the 400 MEH and 700 Frontier pilots.

Fully understand, and don't look forward to those days.
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Old 06-23-2009 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
Of course it is, as I said, I hope we FAIL.
THEN QUIT ALREADY. Can't imagine a better example of someone that's all talk.

Midwest pilots held the line on their compensation and now are about to get 70% pay cuts shoved down our throat.
Learn how a contract works. There are no current payrates for these aircraft and they must be negotiated for. To put them into service quickly they'd most likely use current rates.

It doesn't matter what I think, but what our attorney will negotiate for paid via our merger fund.
It's not a merger. You're attorney won't be negotiating anything.
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Old 06-23-2009 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Considering the fact you're junior even a % integration would put you on the right seat of an ERJ after the 717s are taken out of service.
Glad you're happy that some will take a pay cut from $60+/hr right seat to $37/hr.

Your scenario is one possibility. Another is a fenced off MKE w/ all RAH pilots junior to me on bidding seniority and DEN being the same with F9 pilots head of RAH pilots.
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Old 06-23-2009 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
Glad you're happy that some will take a pay cut from $60+/hr right seat to $37/hr.

Your scenario is one possibility. Another is a fenced off MKE w/ all RAH pilots junior to me on bidding seniority and DEN being the same with F9 pilots head of RAH pilots.
Yes that's a possibility but they'd only be junior to you on FO bidding. They'd still be able to upgrade before. I never said I was happy about anyone but considering the alternatives I don't think you should be continually badmouthing. Seriously just quit if you're any man of your word. If you don't then yea you're just full of it. Welcome aboard.
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Old 06-23-2009 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
THEN QUIT ALREADY. Can't imagine a better example of someone that's all talk.
If we have to fly for your wages, that is a possibility.

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Learn how a contract works. There are no current payrates for these aircraft and they must be negotiated for. To put them into service quickly they'd most likely use current rates.

It's not a merger. You're attorney won't be negotiating anything.
That's not what Bedford said. He said, "One seniority list". We have a merger fund that can be used to hire attorneys to assist us in negotiating that integrated list. This isn't rocket science here.
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Old 06-23-2009 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Yes that's a possibility but they'd only be junior to you on FO bidding. They'd still be able to upgrade before. I never said I was happy about anyone but considering the alternatives I don't think you should be continually badmouthing. Seriously just quit if you're any man of your word. If you don't then yea you're just full of it. Welcome aboard.
No need to quit already on the street thanks to your company. So I already am a man of my word. I am sorry your dream is shattered and you will be stuck at RAH now.

Those MKE CA slots are also up for negotiation. After all you wanted a TWA style integration, so we can have X number of CA slots at MKE per a formula like TWA has at SLT.
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Old 06-23-2009 | 05:05 PM
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Bedfords plan would all go down in flames if the majority of FRONTIER & MIDWEST pilots just quit

I know its A LOT easier said than done, especially outside looking in
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Old 06-23-2009 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Bedfords plan would all go down in flames if the majority of FRONTIER & MIDWEST pilots just quit

I know its A LOT easier said than done, especially outside looking in
How does that work? So his 94 seat 190's in MKE can be flown at their current negotiated rates? 75% of the Midwest pilots are already "quit".
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