Are you kidding? Wasn't the AA/TWA deal so bad that congress passed laws to make sure that never happened?

 

I'm not sure and I didn't mean in it's entirety. I mean how the TWA guys maintained their seniority in STL in their original equipment regardless of their overall seniority placement on the master list. Seems like a good deal that someone being acquired would be glad to have. They stay on their equipment and maintain their position in base.

 

Not a Republic, Midwest, or Frontier guy just an innocent bystander. I guess the most fair would be % intergration with a fence that expires in five years or something. I'm sorry for the Midwest and Frontier guys that become defacto regional pilots. Republic's contract doesn't have payrates for those aircraft, so we can all hope that they will be able to negotiate industry standard rates for those airframes. Mostly Republic has industry standard (albiet regional) payrates for their aircraft (the exception being 190's).

If frontier or Midwest guys feel they're getting a raw deal solely by being bought by Republic then they should consider the fact their companies already failed to the point that a regional was capable of buying them. Let's also remember that it isn't Republic guy's fault that Midwest or Frontier was bought out... that's MANAGEMENT'S fault and something pilots really had no control over. I'm not connected to republic but I have a hard time believing they're jumping up and down excited about the amount of DRAMA this just brought to their jobs.

I don't understand why pilots always insist on being their own worst enemies. If life gives you lemons you're supposed to make lemonaide... and then sell it to the highest bidder... that's capitalism. Midwest, Frontier and Republic guys need to start talking about how their going to get industry leading pay rates.

 

Sounds like two conflicting arguments. Which is it Toilet? Are you the poor picked on little guy that now won't upgrade for 14 years, or are you the beacon of financial stability?

 

My heart goes out to all the Frontier and Midwest guys. Hope everything turns out for you.

 

Does teamsters make RAH pilots pay dues from day 1, or is there a probationary period and you don't pay dues till you're off it?

 

Frontier and Midwest were not in the same class as Republic. If you were a Midwest or Frontier captain, you were never going to quit to go somewhere else. Frontier and Midwest were respectable companies where a pilot could hang his hat at the end of his career with pride. The same cannot be said for Republic. I am not sure why ToiletDuck is so concerned with the furloughed guys from Republic. They would be making $1600/month if they were still working. That's barely $350/week. $350/week comes out to $8.75/hour if you are working a 40 hour week. I am sure these pilots are having no problem breaking even. The most junior active Midwest pilot has been with the company for over 15 years and makes $101/hour. Let's merge him in with the 600 hour furloughed Republic pilot who would make $23/hour if recalled. This is what ToiletDuck is suggesting. This will not end good for the Midwest or Frontier pilots. This might result in a little growth for the Republic pilots, but will not result in better work rules or better pay. In the end, I have to agree with the pilots that think this is the beginning of the end of Republic. They are following a proven bad business model.

 

I'm not on here often, but man am I growing tired of hearing people ***** about the same old thing all the time. There are certain things I would like to say to most of you on here but the moderators would have a field day with it, even though it's just me exercising my freedom of speech. Sometimes you just need to say things a certain way to get the message across. There is being politically correct though, hmmm that.

Anyways, to most of you bashing RAH, you immature adults, you grown up children, you people with no self respect, and no realistic view on life whatsoever, shame on you. Yea, this is harsh, and yea most of you will still, after reading this, continue doing the same thing, and it is not because you don't know any better, it's simply because you are nothing more than a bitter individual, for whatever reason you may be such a person, who will not admit, or even look at where you are, what you have done to make your or our lives any better, but feel so much better about your individual self for that fraction of a second where you put yourself on a pedestal you don't belong on anyways.

This industry has been going down the drain for a while now. It's not one companies fault, everybody is responsible, yet nobody is willing to face that responsibility. You can't possibly expect one pilot group to stand up for all of you. It would be nice though to have someone sacrifice themselves for your selfish needs. And you can copy and paste this anyways you like, everyone here is a selfish mofo.

You want to live in a capitalist, free market type of system. What did you expect was going to happen after deregulation? What, you though they were going to play nice, and divide everything equally, make it nice for you and me, and throw them in there somewhere. Really? This is it people, people who make money DO NOT CARE about people who need money. You and I need money. They, they make money by making labor cheaper. The moment you realize that is the moment you will want to stand up and do something about it.

At that moment you will find out that the RLA was made up by those same people. This was, and is, their way of controlling us. Do you really think it is a coincidence that management does not care if they brake their agreements with us. We just renegotiate when they brake it, no big deal. However, we are petrified to break ours. What will the goverment do when we all say NO? They will see there is a problem. it should be the people who run this country afterall, and not special interests.

When every pilot on this site is ready to go and strike, do what needs to be done to better our profession, fights for what they are actually worth, and nothing else, then I, and every pilot in this country will join you. OK, there are always some douchebags willing to ruin it for all, but I sure as hell hope there are more of us educated ones. This whole blaming individual pilot groups for flying what their company has acquired through others weaknesses is just bs. I will give up my job forever, if everyone else is willing to do the same, at the same time, while we fight for what is righteously ours. However, asking me to quit my job so that you can say, well I do have a wife and kid once you take over that same flying, will not cut it.

See yourself in this reality for a sec. and then pounce on my post. I'm pretty sure not much will change, and you babies will go back to what you've been doing before, it is the easy thing to do...

I am in for the long run. Are you willing to sacrifice your well being?

 

my gut feeling on this whole midwest deal from the start was that there was going to be some fancy codeshare b.s. to try and get larger/cheaper access to lift at the new Delta without scope relief from the pilots. I could be wrong but i really think the big picture has been missed by some because so much attention was placed on the MDX pilots plight. the RAH management is clever and I don't think this is a play to be independent. there is money from somewhere that links this all together and is making it happen. I believe it will take time to see the real scope of this collective screwing that is getting started now.

 

Top ten thoughts.

1. I work at RAH and Im so sick that im going to quit

2. Toilet Duck(Chance) shut up, you're making us look bad, learn how to shoot a visual into DCA and then talk.

3. This is not our (RAH pilots) fault. Yeah its easy to be a keyboard warrior but keep in mind, only 10 percent of any given pilot group gets on these boards. Most of us are baffled and dont know what to think of all this **** thats going on.

4. Im putting in a two weeks notice, in 14 days i will be stoned, drunk, growing my hair out and getting my first tattoos.

5. To all Midwest and Frontier pilots, im sorry this is happening but this is happening. I dont plan on beeing here when all of this pans out, but if i am here, i will treat each and every one of you with the respect you deserve and i will hope you will do the same with us. Its going to be a rough road ahead.

6. Toilet Duck, shut up.

7. I wish i woud have gotten an MBA and got into airline management instead of beeing a pilot.

8. Im starting a Band!

9. Someone build a time machine and go back to 1978 and talk to some peeps about "deregulation"

10. Toilet Duck, shut up!!