Trojan USC: Would you be willing to allow a furloughed 15 year captain the right to move ahead of you in seniority? He is furloughed because of you. You took his job.

 

Oh I'm quite sure I'll get flamed for this, but since when has this industry dropped so low that everyone thinks it MY job. Lets look outside of aviation for a moment, company's come and go, they merge, people get laid off, downsized, moved around. It is not exculsive to our industry, You work for a phamacuetical company and it merges with another, your position is eliminated, guess what you freshen up your resume and you find another job at a different company. This mentality of pilots believing from they day they start whatever job and route they are on, is yours for life, you own it ( but its just not true), and if not then your going to get angry at someone else. I'll say it again You got hosed, but it was your managment that ran your company in the ground, so your barking up the wrong tree. And to your above question (what exactly is your issue?), first you gripe that because of RAH contract being less pay than yours its RAH pilots fault you have to take their wages, yet you want to jump seniority, so WHICH IS IT, which one you want. You are really scared and I get that, Im on 7 months of furlough myself and it sucks, and my family has suffered, but just because your scared and fearful for your family, doesnt mean you lash out at someone else without cause....Your letting anger at Your own managments screw up cloud your judgement, and I hope you take this for what its worth, I am not picking on you, Im trying to get you to see clearly for your own good, even if you dont want to hear it right now. Good luck to you I hope you can find some peace.

 

Mr. Edwin~

Please go ahead and pass the list around. It'll do nothing but make it harder for you when/if you do come over. And in regards to your "list", if there truly is going to be some kind of problem regarding the Connect not being on the airplane, those initial planes (and maybe all of them) will be placed under the Republic certificate. We bought Midwest and are the owners of the 190's. Midwest now = Republic = Midwest = Republic, get it? 190's on our own certificate. And you better get going on that list as the first 190 was put in the system yesterday to give ground personnel some experience with it and will be flying routes all week with pax on board. It'll be showing up in CMH on Thursday and doing routes from there.

In regards to the list integration, I don't know how that's going to work. Date of hire? Heck no. Staple? Heck no. It'll be a proportional basis; whether it's 5:1, 10:1, 20:1, 30:1, I have no clue. The unions are trying to work that out now. It'll be a successful integration when both sides are ****ed off. The furloughs is going to be an ugly situation as we both have them. I don't have an answer as to where the furloughs should go.

I fully expect and want the 190 payrate issue in our contract to go to an arbitrator as we'll end up winning in the end. JB has their new rates and Airways will soon be going back to their pre-9/11 rates when the concessions expire this year.

If you truly are at YX Edwin, I'm shocked. Most of the guys I've met there have been professional, courteous, mature and would rather talk to me (us) about the issues than act like my 4 year old. Thence why I think you are a troll.

 

Again Mr. Tiller, you bought my contract and my seniority. I did not want you. You wanted me. Violate my contract and you, sir, are on the list. End of story.

 

Thanks for the entertainment factor and for keeping this thread on life support.

 

Trust me Mr. Ed...I did not want you nor your dying airline. My only hopes is that BB has something else up his sleeve. Your contract becomes nothing with those planes on our certificate my friend. The ugly truth.

 

You seem to have the comprehension of a 4 year old. It doesn't matter that you bought MEH. The pilots go with the brand not the certificate or airplanes. If there is a Midwest branded aircraft flying it must be under command of Midwest pilots at least until the midwest pilots are integrated. This is why BB has a boner for getting this done ASAP. He knows that ALPA could lay a big fat steamer in his plans.
Now if BB wants to put Connect on the side it can be argued that it violates the arbitrators ruling on code share as you can't code share with yourself. Once the actual corporate merger is complete ALPA could file a grievance for all Connect flying to be done by midwest pilots as the arbitrator's ruling gave the company relief on scope by declaring code sharing acceptable. Like I said before you can't code share with yourself.

Now ALPA could give BB some relief with a LOA in these things but there is going to have to be large rewards for ALPA to consider such relief.

 

your contradicting yourself....you say you bought midwest and the flying is yours but at the same time the pilots are just as much midwest as the flying is....think about what you say before you say it

 

And here we go once again. Another corporate merger and now two pilot groups are going to battle. Gotta love it, Old TWA, East-West, now RAH-MDW. I love how all you guys spout change to the industry lets pull together, end the whipsaw. Guess What ..PILOTS ARE WHAT IS DESTROYING THIS INDUSTRY...YOU CANT GET TWO PILOTS TO COMPROMISE on what they had for breakfast, AND HENCE THINGS WILL CONTINUE DOWN. I guess we all should just get on with it since no matter what you do, someone thinks you stole their job, so guess theres no point in worrying anymore, because with or without it you are going to get blamed for something, by some entitled jack---. Keep up the great attitude, and mabye youll drive us all to think of only ourselves..... I mean hell, you get all the blame without doing anything, might as well at least be guilty since your tried and convicted anyway....is anyone getting the point here....???????????? You guys better wakeup and realize, if you keep on your present course you are going to lose everything....Midwest managment screwed you and you stepped right into the trap....Kudos

 

You lost me there. Paste my contradicting statements. Also try to follow where I posted my replies in response to what Mr. Ed had to say.