sizzlechest: I don't expect any Republic pilot to understand or admit that you have taken our jobs. You never once complained. Your pilot group never stood up to BB and told him what he was doing was not right. You never ran any adds in the MJS explaining yourselves. You just came in with a smile on your face and a "To bad about Midwest" attitude. You people are so use to doing what you do, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. Well, I am here to remind you. If you fly an airplane that I have a contractual right to fly, and I have not agreed to allow you fly that airplane, you are a scab. End of story.

 

Edwin, you just don't get it, do you? I'm convicned you are nothing but a troll and looking for flame bait, so I'm not going to spend too much time with you, but I'll play for a minute. The part that makes me ponder was your line about us flying a route that you have a contractual right to fly. What route would that be and by what contract would that be? From the start, our union has told us that if YX were to strike, we'd be off the routes from day one. No contract was broken..we know that as from day 1 we looked at it all to see if what YX management was doing was legal..guess what, it was. Happy about what happened over there? Never. 100% completely out of our hands? Absolutely. Do the YX guys deserve this at all, especially flying the 190 for bad rates? Nope. All any of us can do is make sure the new contract we're trying to hammer out right now is where it should be. I truly don't think you're at YX, but for the sake of playing with you, you can't get mad at your own management because they're giving you the finger and not listening, so it's easy for you to lash out at us. We get it. We'll keep doing our jobs, getting the contract we deserve, with or without you, it's up do you.

 

You don't get it. If those 190's fly with Midwest on the side it is a direct violation. Our contract and the arbitrator's ruling specify this. The only reason the arbitrator allowed the 170's is because of the Connect sticker and it was a "code share." RAH bought the Midwest brand and it can't "code share" with itself. The YX pilots contract states that the pilots go with the brand and the contract is fully in force until integration is complete. So if the 190 says Midwest and isn't flown by a Midwest pilot then it is in violation and therefore if a Republic pilot is flying it then they are flying scab work. Hence why BB wants the SI done by the end of the month. He knows he has a losing battle if ALPA files a grievance 01 Aug and Midwest pilots aren't flying them. If he puts a connect sticker on the 190's then it also violates the arbitrators ruling.

 

Thank you for proving my point. Still no outcry on behalf of the Midwest pilots by the Republic pilots. I am hoping to gather the names of the Republic pilots who fly our routes in airplanes without the "Connect" on the side of them. Scab lists circulate quickly in this business. You have 10 days to get us on your side. I would suggest you push your management for a quick meshing of contracts and seniority list. As for your rates, they are pathetic. If I would have wanted those rates, I would have applied at Republic.

Edwin

 

I agree.


Ohhhh, and what are YOU going to do? Be careful of your threats, when this deals goes down, you might just be totally out of a job or have to FORCE yourself to work for those crap wages if they can't negotiate for better, which I hope they can and do. RAH could have just left Midwest on the crash and burn course your lovely management put you on, and then you'd have NO job to go to for sure.

 

Great way to get the help youll need. Lets just threaten people that had no choice whatsoever in the decisions of your managment to run their company into the ground and then sell it....This is why nothing will get better in aviation, as soon as one group of pilots gets boned they immediatly look to see which other group of pilots they can blame it on...You do realize all your accomplishing with threats is making a good argument for RAH to disband midwest altogether and sell it off in pieces, rather then dealing with the issues of your pilot group spreading hostility through their workforce. No one is saying you didnt get hosed, cause you did big time, but you are starting a war with the wrong group of people......"Pride goeth before the fall", swallow that pride and seek a solution or you guys could lose more than you think. Do you think another two groups of pilots under a holding company duking it out in the terminals or with j/s wars is going to make our industry any better, cause thats where it sounds like you want this to go...hasnt even been two weeks and your threatening pilots from another company....this is so very sad.

 

'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

 

Wow, I normally don't post, but the idiocy of this post is just too much.
First, was this employee a pilot, an intern, a flight attendant, management, etc or what? Do you know? If he/she was a pilot, then I can assure you that their opinion doesn't reflect "how these people think." It does reflect how that ONE, UNO, SINGULAR, INDIVIDUAL person thinks. I am a RAH pilot so I'm just guessing here, but I probably have a little more insight into "how these people think" than you do. I am not happy about the 190's (I did not and will not bid for that flying) and I pray that someone outbids RAH for Frontier. Everyone of my peers that has expressed their opinion to me, is not happy about any of this. THAT would be closer to "how these people think." But, I still will not say that is how all think, because I would guess that there are a few that are happy about all of this. There are idiots in every group, as you have so obviously demonstrated; both by what that employee said and your post. Overhearing ONE conversation does not give you insight into a general consensus. Using your logic, if I overheard ONE of your company's employees stating racist views, I could advertise on a public forum that you and your peers are all racists. Would that be an accurate and fair statement? How do you feel about being an unsafe, dangerous, inexperienced, poorly trained regional airline pilot? What's that? You're not? But you are, according to your logic. Remember, the recent Colgan accident? We all violate sterile cockpit. We all don't have the training or experience to recover from a stall. We all would have crashed if we were in that Q400 that night. Of course that isn't true, but you are the one that is painting in huge, broad strokes when the situation required a 00 paint brush. I would guess that you revel in posting inflammatory comments. It's childish and unprofessional.

 

Wordvomit...

 

Edwin what do you want us to do? I feel terrible for the Midwest guys but that ship has sailed man. Nothing is going to bring back the 717s and the pay rates that went with them right away. Time to start looking forward and dealing with the fact that it might not be quite as good as it used to be for a little while. Stop pointing fingers and start coming up with solutions. If the union tells the pilot group that flying MidEx routes is some sort of a violation and that we should refuse to fly those trips I have the utmost confidence that those planes would stay on the ground.

I have nothing but respect for the MidEx pilot group and I really hope that the integration gets done swiftly and fairly and that the two groups can put their differences behind them and move forward together to get the contract that everyone in this industry needs.