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07-12-2009, 12:48 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Herbie
Sorry fellas, but I die a little inside when I see this airplane.
07-12-2009, 04:43 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by UpThere
My, friend, in case you never bothered to look, or were to naive to realize it, Air Willie 146 CA's were paid more than mainline 190 CA's. With the contract and hourly rate, AWAC pilots flying 50 seat planes will be making money hand over fist compared to your posted 190 rates. Maybe you should do some research and know your role... raise the bar. It seems that there are very few pilot groups that have the balls to do that anymore.
07-12-2009, 04:59 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Herbie
All I see on the 190 is Midwest.
Sorry fellas, but I die a little inside when I see this airplane.
Sorry fellas, but I die a little inside when I see this airplane.
1) "The "Connect" sticker is optional now, right?" -- BB
2) Ditto.
07-12-2009, 06:46 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by UpThere
My, friend, in case you never bothered to look, or were to naive to realize it, Air Willie 146 CA's were paid more than mainline 190 CA's. With the contract and hourly rate, AWAC pilots flying 50 seat planes will be making money hand over fist compared to your posted 190 rates. Maybe you should do some research and know your role... raise the bar. It seems that there are very few pilot groups that have the balls to do that anymore.
Great post
07-12-2009, 07:18 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
.....This is what you guys have been reduced to, junior high school style jokes. Pathetic.
07-12-2009, 07:23 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by UpThere
My, friend, in case you never bothered to look, or were to naive to realize it, Air Willie 146 CA's were paid more than mainline 190 CA's. With the contract and hourly rate, AWAC pilots flying 50 seat planes will be making money hand over fist compared to your posted 190 rates. Maybe you should do some research and know your role... raise the bar. It seems that there are very few pilot groups that have the balls to do that anymore.
07-12-2009, 07:36 AM
#27
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I've said it before, I'll say it again...for those who like revisionist history and refuse an apples-to-apples comparison:
The E175/190 CA rates in the CHQ 2003 contract through its duration are 2-3% higher than the B146 CA payrates in the ARW 2003 contract through its duration (or at least 2008, because I don't have the 2009 adjusted scales) beyond year 3 of longevity. And yes, I'll acknowledge (again) that the CHQ 2003 payscale essentially created an FO B-scale where the ARW B146 FO rates were 60% of B146 CA rates.
YES, the ARW 2003 contract was concessionary, and YES ARW's concessionary work rules are better than RAH...but given that both CBAs were negotiated in the SAME ENVIRONMENT and went into effect on the SAME DATE as the CHQ agreement (and without ARW facing the threat of a non-union alter-ego airline being formed to take their flying), those rates aren't too bad.
The E175/190 CA rates in the CHQ 2003 contract through its duration are 2-3% higher than the B146 CA payrates in the ARW 2003 contract through its duration (or at least 2008, because I don't have the 2009 adjusted scales) beyond year 3 of longevity. And yes, I'll acknowledge (again) that the CHQ 2003 payscale essentially created an FO B-scale where the ARW B146 FO rates were 60% of B146 CA rates.
YES, the ARW 2003 contract was concessionary, and YES ARW's concessionary work rules are better than RAH...but given that both CBAs were negotiated in the SAME ENVIRONMENT and went into effect on the SAME DATE as the CHQ agreement (and without ARW facing the threat of a non-union alter-ego airline being formed to take their flying), those rates aren't too bad.
07-12-2009, 07:37 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by xtreme
I agree, the airline world IS laughing at you.
This is what you guys have been reduced to, junior high school style jokes. Pathetic.
This is what you guys have been reduced to, junior high school style jokes. Pathetic.
I remember back in the day, majors got upset when regionals first flew pressurized cabins. Then it was turboprops that upset everybody. The advent of the CRJ outraged many. The 70 seat RJ did the same. The CRJ900 sparked some outrage over changes in scope limitations. Now the 100 seater EMB190 is causing a stir. To those who choose to throw stones towards RAH, take a look in the mirror. If you're flying anything that I mentioned above, you're also a part of the problem. Tough to admit, but you must.
07-12-2009, 07:49 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by xtreme
You are my hero. Nice one two punch right there.
07-12-2009, 07:53 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by AirWillie
NiCE!! You just made the day for hundreds of Emory Driidlle students out there. You just found the computer background of the month for them! As far as for RAH, I'm guessing posters are being erected allover the HQs and pilot lounges.
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