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TurboDVR42 07-13-2009 12:11 AM

Where would YX right now if they were to be left alone? Instead of 9 airplanes, they would probably have 0. I guess the good thing, it would have been quick and painless instead of RAH slowly killing the airline and the jobs :(

Rightseat Ballast 07-13-2009 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by TurboDVR42 (Post 643983)
Where would YX right now if they were to be left alone? Instead of 9 airplanes, they would probably have 0. I guess the good thing, it would have been quick and painless instead of RAH slowly killing the airline and the jobs :(

Wrong. They would still have 9 planes. Boeing was taking back the 717's at a rate that satisfies the new Mexican customer. RAH's involvement had nothing to do with the loss of the 717, and has nothing to do with the rate of loss. Midwest contracted with RAH once they learned of Boeing's intention to take back the 717. RAH essentially filled in the gaps in the Midwest fleet, and is going to continue to do so.

In hindsight, Midwest may have been better off giving in to the Airtran purchase. But, we all have our pride, and we never want to see our company "lose" to someone else. Midwest had a great product, but to varying degrees the economy and the Midwest managers contributed to the collapse of a nice niche airline. Midwest will never be what it was. The 190 will not replicate the comfort of the 717, and will not be as memorable to the passengers. Midwest will likely be brought to match the Frontier model for passenger accommodation (still not bad, but not what Midwest was), and soon the main difference between Midwest and Frontier will be paint color. Brian Bedford will aim to have a single brand experience for the simple reason that it is cheaper to train and provide a single level of service, and to outift aircraft to a single standard. Frontier and MIdwest now have a codeshare agreement. I could very well see the Midwest name go away in a few years, after Midwest passengers have had a chance to experience and accept Frontier as an equal product via the codeshare.

RAHPilot5 07-14-2009 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by ScaryKite (Post 643902)
http://s731.photobucket.com/albums/w...midwest135.jpg


this really put a damper on my 5:30 am walkaround in KIND this morning.

Are you the same guy on RP.org complaining that you don't wear your hat even though it is required part of the uniform? :rolleyes:

If so, good luck with your attitude in life.

AirWillie 07-14-2009 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by ScaryKite (Post 643902)
http://s731.photobucket.com/albums/w...midwest135.jpg


this really put a damper on my 5:30 am walkaround in KIND this morning.

!!!!! They even took over the Skywest flying!!!! I must say that's one ugly color on an ERJ. It must be horible for Midwest regulars to go from a boing to an ERJ.

i121ADX 07-14-2009 10:13 AM

All I have to say is if they take away the cookies...I'm going to cry.

SpeedyVagabond 07-14-2009 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 644773)
!!!!! They even took over the Skywest flying!!!! I must say that's one ugly color on an ERJ. It must be horible for Midwest regulars to go from a boing to an ERJ.

The 170s and 190s are very comfortable from a passenger standpoint. By the way, I thought a "boing" was something that happened to Wylie Coyote.

ScaryKite 07-14-2009 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by RAHPilot5 (Post 644767)
Are you the same guy on RP.org complaining that you don't wear your hat even though it is required part of the uniform? :rolleyes:

If so, good luck with your attitude in life.


Nay.. t'was not me. I havent been on rp.org since they started charging ten bucks to be in the RPA. I wear my hat at all times.

AbZorbFly 07-15-2009 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 643508)
DEFEND THEM?!?!?!?! They are not defendable. They have not once stood up for themselves......but then again they would have to believe passionately about something to do so.

Bottom line is the RAH croanies are happy about this. You dont hear them talking about furloughs or downgrades do you? But you know what those who take shortcuts in life always end up getting theirs.

COME ON SWA!!!! Sit back and watch SW dismantle RAH and with any luck the RAH clan can feel some of the pain they have inflicted on worthy Midwest families.

This has to be one of the most childish posts that I have ever read. I would like to meet you and hear you speak. I would like to ask you questions to hear how you reply. I am guessing it is all bark and everything you type is a compilation of something you have read or heard.

I am employed at RAH. I am thankful to be employed here. This is my second airline. I left Colgan after researching an asking quesions to anyone and everyone I could. I didn't go and pay for my ratings and get a job handed to me or a guaranteed interview. I am a business person. In my 5 years in this industry all the negativity and ridiculous comments comes fro
a pay for your ratings get it done fast person. They are ignorant comments because you formulate your own idea of what it really is about.

I am educated. I understand what business is. Your business is only strong as you make it.

It has been obvious of the evolution of the airline industry. Regional carriers will most likely turn into domestic carriers. It is pretty evident that the number or regional/domestic carriers will shrink. It is just going to happen. Scope will be evaded by a domestic carrier becoming a member of Star Alliance, Sky Team or etc.

Status Quo and being satisifed with contracts is not going to cut it. You have to provide a good product at an affordable price. Face it.

As for Midwest and Frontier. I want everyone of their pilots and flight attendants to come and join our team. I want a bigger family I want each one of them to keep a relative seniority. I want them
to say in 5 years that they are happy. I want this company to remain strong. We do provide a great product. Most of us bust our ass here to make it better.

We do not sit and try and trash talk. Most of us that aren't the pay for training guys that some have a tendency to get caught up in this drama.

We do our job and do it to the best of our ability. So I just want to say put up shut up do your job and live a happy life. Let go
of the drama. You are sounding ignorant and ignorant means you are informed. Strive to understand business and aaviation. Not the old school ways. I apologize for errors. This is being typed on phone.

andy171773 07-15-2009 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by AbZorbFly (Post 645112)
This has to be one of the most childish posts that I have ever read. I would like to meet you and hear you speak. I would like to ask you questions to hear how you reply. I am guessing it is all bark and everything you type is a compilation of something you have read or heard.

I am employed at RAH. I am thankful to be employed here. This is my second airline. I left Colgan after researching an asking quesions to anyone and everyone I could. I didn't go and pay for my ratings and get a job handed to me or a guaranteed interview. I am a business person. In my 5 years in this industry all the negativity and ridiculous comments comes fro
a pay for your ratings get it done fast person.
They are ignorant comments because you formulate your own idea of what it really is about.

I am educated. I understand what business is. Your business is only strong as you make it.


It has been obvious of the evolution of the airline industry. Regional carriers will most likely turn into domestic carriers. It is pretty evident that the number or regional/domestic carriers will shrink. It is just going to happen. Scope will be evaded by a domestic carrier becoming a member of Star Alliance, Sky Team or etc.

Status Quo and being satisifed with contracts is not going to cut it. You have to provide a good product at an affordable price. Face it.

As for Midwest and Frontier. I want everyone of their pilots and flight attendants to come and join our team. I want a bigger family I want each one of them to keep a relative seniority. I want them
to say in 5 years that they are happy. I want this company to remain strong. We do provide a great product. Most of us bust our ass here to make it better.

We do not sit and try and trash talk. Most of us that aren't the pay for training guys that some have a tendency to get caught up in this drama.

We do our job and do it to the best of our ability. So I just want to say put up shut up do your job and live a happy life. Let go
of the drama. You are sounding ignorant and ignorant means you are informed. Strive to understand business and aaviation. Not the old school ways. I apologize for errors. This is being typed on phone.

Sounds like a robot typed this, phone or not..don't put someone down as ignorant and "(un) informed" and claim to be an "educated business man" if you can't even write coherent, complete sentences.

"Failing company" or not, anyone that can't see that this is a negative thing for the industry needs a serious wake-up call.

Dougdrvr 07-15-2009 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 644874)
The 170s and 190s are very comfortable from a passenger standpoint. By the way, I thought a "boing" was something that happened to Wylie Coyote.

Comfortable is a relative thing. When I deadhead on these things and watch the expessions on the faces of the passengers, you can just tell they are not happy when they struggle to find carryon baggage space. If BB thinks he is going to compete to the west coast from MKE against Southwest and Air Tran ,even with the 190 he got another think coming.


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