Well, I haven't bid any of this flying, despite the fact I'm a West Coast commuter and my quality of life would increase exponentially, out of respect for the Midwest folks. I'm not alone. There, you've read one objection.

On behalf of the Midwest Pilots, Thank You.

A little research? There hasn't been any from ANYONE!

Midwest stopped making payments on the airplanes under the "shock and awe" negotiating strategy of the consultants that were hired by the new owners (TPG). Then they went to Boeing and Rolls Royce, and told them what they were willing to pay for the airplanes.

Boeing agreed. What else were they going to do with 25 717s?

Midwest's CEO said, "wait, let's come back tommorrow, and talk about another five grand lower per plane per month."

The next day Boeing said' "just give us back the airplanes."

Oops. Midwest had to find some airplanes QUICK! Frontier just broke Republic's contract, so they had 12 airplanes that could fly in two months. Midwest pulled back to a 21 airplane schedule, so Boeing let them keep 9 on short term leases. Meanwhile, all 25 were on the market, and Boeing found a customer. A dios.

Arrogance was the reason why Midwest was flying 9 airplanes, but some people seem to think that they're saving a dying airline. If that was really the case, why did the park the airplanes with the lowest seat mile costs, 5 of which they owned, and the others were on property for lunch money? Maybe because this deal was 13 months in the making, and MD-80s weren't part of the plan.

Stay tuned kids.

Was my point. There is these big misconceptions that RAH is responsible for YX's demise and those few that think RAH is saving a "dying airline." Mean while back at the ranch, YX's demise was in process even before RAH came along. While I'm sure RAH didn't help matters the vast majority of the blame can be placed squarely on the shoulder's of YX's management and TPG.

Unfortunately, when you lease the vast majority of your fleet you're at the mercy of the lessor.

Joker

We agree on that. Midwest was mismanaged, but this deal has been on for a while. The 'loan' from Republic in September was probably really a down payment. What we are both in the middle of right now is a demonstration of union busting that will be discussed in MBA school for generations. I know someone else is going to say it's our fault for not having scope. We did, to protect us from exactly this. The arbitrator fell for management's sob story, without realizing we were already sold. Republic pilots can help rewrite history by securing a decent contract. Good luck. We all need it!

I hope you are right. I certainly know there will be a good bit of us looking to write some of the wrongs this industry has sent "our" way. I just hope that we can over come the RAH Koolaid. There are quite a few that are currently drinking it and we are hopeful they are in the minority rather than the majority.

I have no desire for the 190 but if we should fly together someday, I've got the first round. ;)

Joker

Cost jobs......???? Pish Posh! They threw Midwest and Frontier guys right under the bus. I can't wait to hear about the negotiations, maybe Midwest guys will get 2nd year FO pay when they come to fly the mighty E170.

Yay 31 bucks an hour.

Just out of curiosity, do you bring anything of value to threads or do you consistently say immature, worthless comments and then duck out? Butt out if you've got nothing to say kiddo.

I would, but this is a PUBLIC forum. If you want a private chat you might want to get on that. Sorry, I offended you by your own pay scale.