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StallFail 07-13-2009 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by BoredwLife (Post 644196)
What are the numbers looking like? Anyone have a guess?


What numbers are you talking about? If you are asking how many are furloughed, it will be 136 as of September 1st.

As for how many will be furloughed...? ALPA would like you to believe that the company can't furlough any more than that because of the no furlough clause in our contract. As much as I want that to be true, the next few months will tell. I guess Brad Holt is just totally unwilling to run even a little fat on pilots.

The cowardly part of this whole thing is that the "front-line meetings" this week don't even include Brad Holt.

broncoflyer8912 07-13-2009 11:02 AM

After the second round of furloughs there will 1562 active pilots

flyingkangaroo 07-13-2009 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by broncoflyer8912 (Post 644214)
After the second round of furloughs there will 1562 active pilots

it's almost unethical of skywest management to not have skywest airlines share the furlough pain. It's clear that they have no replacements for the 20 200's. In truth i feel they are slowly downsizing the airline untill it is only a shell of itself.

ehaeckercfi 07-13-2009 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo (Post 644218)
it's almost unethical of skywest management to not have skywest airlines share the furlough pain. It's clear that they have no replacements for the 20 200's. In truth i feel they are slowly downsizing the airline untill it is only a shell of itself.

Why should we furlough? We are actually a little short right now. So, we should furlough, just to make you feel better?

eaglefly 07-13-2009 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo (Post 644218)
it's almost unethical of skywest management to not have skywest airlines share the furlough pain. It's clear that they have no replacements for the 20 200's. In truth i feel they are slowly downsizing the airline untill it is only a shell of itself.

We pilots aren't in the business of helping each other out. If you look at the history of this profession, it's very predictable........within the industry it's every pilot group for themselves and within every pilot group it's evey pilot for himself.

Sad, but true..........and one of the fundamental reasons we are not only where we are (as a profession), but where we a CERTAIN to go.

Gunga Galunga 07-13-2009 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by StallFail (Post 644210)
What numbers are you talking about? If you are asking how many are furloughed, it will be 136 as of September 1st.

As for how many will be furloughed...? ALPA would like you to believe that the company can't furlough any more than that because of the no furlough clause in our contract. As much as I want that to be true, the next few months will tell. I guess Brad Holt is just totally unwilling to run even a little fat on pilots.

The cowardly part of this whole thing is that the "front-line meetings" this week don't even include Brad Holt.


come on brad when times are good you love to be out among the front line employees taking credit. Show your face out of respect to the people who are losing their jobs and answer questions without some canned BS response.

I guess it is a lot easier for him to sit in his office reading FA comments on ourASA about how we have such great leadership

Bwatz 07-13-2009 11:51 AM

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I guess it is a lot easier for him to sit in his office reading FA comments on ourASA about how we have such great leadership[/QUOTE]


That gets so old.. It's borderline creepy.. "Thanks Brad" "You are always looking out for us Brad"... I can't even look at the comment section anymore without cringing.

JetJock16 07-13-2009 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by FlyASA (Post 644145)
I've come to accept the fact that no Skywest pilot will be furloughed as long as there are ASA pilots to furlough. They'll simply transfer the flying we have to themselves to avoid furloughing on their side. I've got friends at Skywest so I'm not ****ed at anyone there and I hope none of them get furloughed but it does suck from our perspective when we are taking the brunt of everything bad. We really are the red headed step child.


On a seperate note I guess they never found flying for those 20 CRJ-200s.

Look, I’m not going to sit here and say we’re being treated differently. I’d say most everyone I fly with understands that there’s somewhat of a double standard here. Keep in mind that I’m one of the good guys at SKW who has always wanted the best for ASA but the reality of it isn’t as I’d hoped.

Regardless, thinking that SKW hasn’t furloughed because of ASA is absurd. Remember UAL covers the overwhelming majority of our flying and our DAL reductions have been somewhat offset by our increases in UAL flying and Pro-rate flying. First we were supposed to retire 15 of our EMB’s by summer’s end, now we’re only retiring 3 with ZERO retirements in 2010. Ever since Eagle and Horizon pulled their light lift out of LAX, PDX and SEA our plates have been full which has included the addition of many new markets. Plus as their lease come on in 2011 (on the one’s we don’t own) we’ve been informed that SKW intends to extend them. Second we are still receiving CR7’s which is all growth, unfortunately at the expense of mainline. Third, we've had enough pilots take VLOA's to where we been able to cut our reserve %age from 36% to 15% system wide.

JetJock16 07-13-2009 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo (Post 644218)
it's almost unethical of skywest management to not have skywest airlines share the furlough pain. It's clear that they have no replacements for the 20 200's. In truth i feel they are slowly downsizing the airline untill it is only a shell of itself.

Thant’s just ridiculous to think SKW should “share” furloughs. We are two separate carriers with separate pilot groups and separate codeshare contrats.

atlmsl 07-13-2009 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 644233)
Thant’s just ridiculous to think SKW should “share” furloughs. We are two separate carriers with pilot groups and seperate codeshare contrats.

Agreed. But is Skywest still fat come fall? Haven't heard much about it lately.


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