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Originally Posted by FlyASA (Post 644695)

Good, I'd rather see the regionals shrink and see mainline recapture the flying. I'd rather sit out on the street for an extra 3 years flight instructing and working another job then get back sooner and be stuck at a regional for the rest of my life.

I couldn’t agree more.

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Originally Posted by FlyASA (Post 644695)

When does ASA's contract expire with DAL? Isn't it 2014 or something like that? Whenever that contract expires is when things will get really messy. I wouldn't be surprised if all the -200s disappear and we only fly the -700s and -900s for Delta. We could lose all of the 70+ seater RJs too or see it transferred to SkyWest, who knows.

The ASA purchase agreement between DAL and SKYW Inc back in October 05 added 5 years to our current CPA pushing both airlines contracts out for a total of 15 years………..or 2020. Yes there are loop holes but every contract has them. Keep in mind that every time DAL and SKYW Inc agree to an amendment the new subsections have their own time frames. (Ex. Swapping 20 CR2’s for 10 CR9’s)

SkyWest Airlines

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“Through this acquisition, our company will enter into long-term agreements with initial terms of 15 years with Delta at both ASA and SkyWest Airlines, making SkyWest the most significant regional relationship in the Delta Connection program.”

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Originally Posted by FlyASA (Post 644695)

Anyone want to start some kind of pool for recall? I'd say recall in time for the 2012 summer travel season.

I think that’s very realistic. Unless SKW benefits from more UAL flying, then I’d expect there to an opportunity for ASA furloughees to cross over to the dark side.:D

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Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 644585)

About 33%-35% of SKW flying is DAL with a portion of that being Pro-Rate. We've seen a drop in ATL flying of 30% and a drop in SLC flying of about 20%.

That's pretty much on par with ASA but because of UAL we've been able to squeeze by.

I wonder why they don't use some of the excess ASA aircraft for pro-rate flying?

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Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 644585)

I'm pro-ALPA and I still disagree with this statement.

I know you are pro-ALPA and one of the good guys. But it is fact that there were gains made in ASA's contract. What gains did Skywest make from their last union vote? That's the difference.

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 644743)

I wonder why they don't use some of the excess ASA aircraft for pro-rate flying?

I don't know but I'm starting to see a real double standard.

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 644743)

I know you are pro-ALPA and one of the good guys. But it is fact that there were gains made in ASA's contract. What gains did Skywest make from their last union vote? That's the difference.

The gains were like intangibles that didn't benefit anyone but SKW pilots (We spell TEAM....."i"-Tea"m-e"). Remember that we haven’t furloughed yet and the company seems to be more willing to take risks with our pilot group in an effort to keep moral high and remain non-union/Pro-Jerry. Once again, a double standard.

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Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 644740)

I think that’s very realistic. Unless SKW benefits from more UAL flying, then I’d expect there to an opportunity for ASA furloughees to cross over to the dark side.:D

I don't see it as the "dark side," I'd work for Skywest if given the chance. I have many friends over there and I don't wish anything bad on them.

Skywest at least has domiciles besides ATL, if I had know how much that place sucked I never would have taken the job with ASA. Sherman did everyone a favor when he burned that place down :D

(Better go hide for awhile before the die-hard southerners catch me :eek:)

Trying to blame Skywest or Delta or ALPA politics is not the way to go. We all know the economy is not getting better right now Everyone that came into this industry after 9/11 ought to know how much it is lacking in job security before they forked out all that money for flight school. This career now has the job security of a professional athlete, instead of a 6-term U.S. senator. Everybody has to have a backup plan, side job, or any other creative way to make a living outside of aviation. If you do not, you ought to pickup "150 Best Recession Proof Jobs" by Laurence Shatkin and start looking for a backup plan.

That sucks. I remember I got a call from the ASA recruiter but I never went because I heard of the long reserve times.

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Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 644775)

That sucks. I remember I got a call from the ASA recruiter but I never went because I heard of the long reserve times.

How's the reserve time at GoJet? Sounds like you made the right decision!

there goes the thread!

My favorite part of reading this thread has been all the AllATPs "Airline Career Fast Track Program" ads splattered around the borders. "Hey kids! In 90 days you TOO can be collecting unemployment like a REAL AIRLINE pilot!". :rolleyes:

This quote from our resident GooJet cheerleader also made me laugh.

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Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 644775)

That sucks. I remember I got a call from the ASA recruiter but I never went because I heard of the long reserve times.

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Looks like another United Nations post - a little flamebait, a little thread drift, a little of everything.

Try to stay on track, eh? Or I'm going to have to agree with Gunga Galunga (whatever kind of name is that?? ;)) Don't make me give out infractions; I really don't like to do that.