The E190 pays the same as the E175, right?

 

Oxymoron: Career expectations of a regional pilot.

 

The 190 will be on the Republic certificate, not the Midwest certificate. Not trying to fan the flames, but BB knows how to work the business. You may not like it, but he is crafty. Oh, the Connect sticker is already on the 1st 190. I hope we all can make this thing work out. I know this is a raw deal for the Midwest guys, but we can work to make something out of this. It may not be what you had, but it will not be what we have, for to much longer.

 

Funny. Won't even slightly be considered, nor should it.

 

You're right, staple the RAH pilots. That's what I hope our merger attorney, outside of ALPA, will buy from our merger fund.

 

So is it going to be Midwest "Connect" when all the 717's are gone w/ no integration and thus our CBA is still en force. We'll see on 8/1.

 

No its not fair but I don't think I should lose my job, no matter how much or little I am making, because your management flushed a once proud airline down the toilet. I want nothing more than for your guys and gals at MidEx to get the best deal you can, but just because my airline bought yours (they didn't really give me any say in the matter) you think I should be the martyr because you think that your career had better expectations than mine?? I don't see it quite like that...

If the tables were turned what would you be doing?? What did you do when TH bent Skyway over and gave that group the fisting of a lifetime? Im sure you were up in arms about it.

 

Ok, please don't jump down my throat. I have no affiliation with any airline and am only seeking a better understanding of the industry.

Outside of the union jobs when a company takes over another company by merger, out right purchase, hostile take over, etc. the purchasing company holds the cards. For instance, my Dad's company has been purchased and merged so many times I have no idea who he works for any more. He is a very senior guy in the maintenance department of a large pharmaceutical company. My Dad's not that old and the only reason he is senior is that during all the previous mergers, take overs, etc. they cut the top end of the staff. From my life's experience this is typical in corporate America.

Another example the merger of North West and Delta. Both companies have a training department. Both companies have CRM instructors. Now the two companies are one. There is no longer a need for two sets of CRM instructors. So who gets the boot? The company that was purchased North West? The purchasing company? The most senior, highest paid instructors?

Sorry for the long preface but my question is what protection is there for pilots of a company who is being purchased? Is it all up to the lawyers and arbitrators? In any other industry the reward goes to the conqourer in which that comany's workers are more or less safe from the chopping block. Are there any forms of protection?

Thanks,

Tiger

 

I know you guys got hosed but you might as well face facts, that isnt going to happen...period. RAH bought Midwest, not the other way around...

 

A short history. Mergers of seniority lists has ALWAYS been a contentious part of ALPA and other unions history in aviation. From the various sell offs of Pan Am to United and Delta and the controversies they caused to the more recent AA/TWA merger. About 65% of all TWA pilots and 100% of their FA's got stapled to the bottom of the AA list. The FA's lobbying in congress got the rules changed to a mandatory process to be followed (Allegheny-Mohawk), which is named after another contentious merger. These basically require a "fair" integration, but such poor wording usually means the two parties cannot agree and it thus goes to a binding arbitration. US Airways pilots thought binding isn't really true and thus quit ALPA in recent years to fight for what they feel should be a "fairer" integration.

Bottom line, is an arbitrator usually makes the decision.