so the airline that is BUYING the FAILING airline should have their pilots let go? If this was republic buying a regional would the integration be done any differently than that?

 

Ya know Edwin, a lot of people here have tried to get you to grasp the fact that your trash talking does not help the situation. Yes, DAL MEC did mess you guys up. I know your former MEC Chair and Negotiating Chair and got the information from them as it happened. They also told me how Prater and Moak acted. So on that point, your facts are correct.

But calling people "cancer" and denigrating other pilots who did not have a say in the deal is crap on your part. As mad as you are, you are full of it because you would not have walked away from your job if the roles were reversed. By slinging mud and making assumptions about seniority integrations, you have completely trashed your credibility and done nothing to help the cause of the Midwest pilots.

Assuming there will be seniority integration discussions, don't you think you are going to make it harder for your reps if they walk into an environment that people like you have made hostile by your statements? Or don't you care?

It would seem to me (and apparently some others here), that you need to consider that possibly; just possibly...the RAH pilot leadership and the IBT may be willing to find a way to help preserve your jobs. But if you and others keep up your attacks, you may find the olive branch tossed aside.

 

A seniority integration is based on career expectations so of course an integration with a self sufficient carrier would be completely different than with another regional carrier.

WITHOUT the Midwest network and brand, these routes (both new and additional) would not be possible for the 190 growth and current 170 fleet flying in MKE. This should be considered in any fair integration.

Killer is simply getting what is best for the RAH guys, even though he knows they undercut the Midwest pilots and was used to REPLACE their jobs. The 170 REPLACED 16 717's, and the 190 will replace the remaining 9. From the beginning TH asked us to accept Republic wages as this was known to them from day one how this would turn out. Now Bedford wants a QUICK integration cause he knows a 190 on a Midwest certificate manned by Republic pilots is a VIOLATION of the Midwest Contract. So will he slap a "connect" sticker on it? Who knows?

The one thing RAH pilots have going for them is the current active Midwest pilots ARE WEAK and are already ADMITTING DEFEAT. They accepted the sacrifice of thier brethren but when their time comes will they go down swining or do down grabbing their ankles? I hope it's not the latter.

Either way, I HOPE IT FAILS. I will take from it the best I can then flush it down the toilet. After all, thats what my former CEO taught me. I am sure the RAH pilots are giddy that they now have a "career" with $37/hr upside for FO's who invested $25,000+ in their training (not including the 4yr degrees most have). By my math, that is a crappy investment.

So again I ask you Killer, what is fair? How is a MKE fence for ALL MEH pilots to retain what was their flying (both 170/190 which REPLACED our flying) unfair to you? We hear it was "our management is forcing me to fly this route or i will be fired" or "our management is treating the midwest pilots horribly", but when it comes to integration, suddenly the RAH pilots are entitled and demanding because "they bought us". Oh now, it's "they"!

 

I have no problem with a fence around MKE and the 190. I could give two sharts about the 190 or the old MidEx routes. I just don't want to be out on the street because your management sold you guys down the river and ours decided to buy some failing airline that most normal people outside of MKE have never even heard of. Im starting to wish that MidEx would have just died and we would have never had to deal with any of this. Nothing against your pilot group in general (we all have our 10%) but management is a whole other story.

I would be more than happy if I could stay in the 145 and never see the inside of a 190 or any blue painted aircraft for that matter.

 

This is fair so long as no RAH pilots lose their jobs. If you want a fence around all the MidEx flying then we wanna be furlough protected. And I hate to say it but career expectations at MidEx wasn't exactly looking up. Sure you had a handful of planes and a base in MKE with a handful of loyal customers but it isn't like RAH bought Southwest or Delta.

 

i would say put a fence up in MKE on the 190 but its too late for that. there are already pilots in training (both differences and initial depending on where they came from) and the 190 started flying on thursday. its a bit late to talk fences.

 

Fence off our highest paying airplane? That's not going to happen...

 

I get it. It's fair to layoff 75% of the Midwest pilots and use the 170 (not the 190) as the primary instrument in that. You simply ignore that.

A senior FO, about seniority number 240 or so, at Midwest had the same earnings as a senior CA at Republic, with POTENTIAL to increase. Their career earnings expectations were very similar. These were the facts before one 170 was on property. Let's be real, this deal didn't happen in summer 09, try a year before that.

 

How convenient for you isn't it?

 

Actually since you bought Midwest the highest paying airplane is the 717, but you stupidly acted to eliminate it.

If that airplane is on the Midwest certificate, sorry to say but it's OURS! OUR CBA is still in effect and it clearly states:

with Company defined as.......

IE the Midwest certificate.

RAH's future growth is THROUGH Midwest and Frontier, NOT from the further outsourcing of domestic feed. This should factor into integration further for the Midwest and Frontier pilots. This in addition to the 2x earnings potential should factor in, even for the furloughed pilots.