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07-27-2009 | 05:09 AM
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Because your narrow minded unprofessional drivel is very indicative of why the industry has fallen into the crapper. Yes, starting pay at a regional is embarrasing, but how has flying an "MD80 since they were in dipers" given you any more right to fly at a higher number at a new company. Why couldn't your far superior company sustain itself and stand alone???? Was it maybe because you were flying a regional airline (i know in a 717....a regional airplane) for a payscale that was unsustainable?? Economics plays a huge factor in running airlines. You, sir, have priced yourself out of the regional market.
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07-27-2009 | 05:11 AM
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Dang it..... boilerup beat me to it!!!! GO PURDUE!!!!
07-27-2009 | 05:36 AM
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Wuflingu, I've been defending Rah pilots all over the place, but to say the payscale is undeserved is assinine and indicative of why we as pilots are in the crapper. What YX pilots were making on the 717 is exactly what they should have been. I promise you pilot pay has never contributed to the failure of a company; stop selling yourselves short!
07-27-2009 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by G-Dog
The 190 will be on the Republic certificate, not the Midwest certificate. Not trying to fan the flames, but BB knows how to work the business. You may not like it, but he is crafty. Oh, the Connect sticker is already on the 1st 190. I hope we all can make this thing work out. I know this is a raw deal for the Midwest guys, but we can work to make something out of this. It may not be what you had, but it will not be what we have, for to much longer.
So...? Which airplane is going to be on the Midwest crtificate? No airplane=no certificate!
Originally Posted by G-Dog
The 190 will be on the Republic certificate, not the Midwest certificate. Not trying to fan the flames, but BB knows how to work the business. You may not like it, but he is crafty. Oh, the Connect sticker is already on the 1st 190. I hope we all can make this thing work out. I know this is a raw deal for the Midwest guys, but we can work to make something out of this. It may not be what you had, but it will not be what we have, for to much longer.
So...? Which airplane is going to be on the Midwest crtificate? No airplane=no certificate!
07-27-2009 | 06:27 AM
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A short history. Mergers of seniority lists has ALWAYS been a contentious part of ALPA and other unions history in aviation. From the various sell offs of Pan Am to United and Delta and the controversies they caused to the more recent AA/TWA merger. About 65% of all TWA pilots and 100% of their FA's got stapled to the bottom of the AA list. The FA's lobbying in congress got the rules changed to a mandatory process to be followed (Allegheny-Mohawk), which is named after another contentious merger. These basically require a "fair" integration, but such poor wording usually means the two parties cannot agree and it thus goes to a binding arbitration. US Airways pilots thought binding isn't really true and thus quit ALPA in recent years to fight for what they feel should be a "fairer" integration.
Bottom line, is an arbitrator usually makes the decision.
Bottom line, is an arbitrator usually makes the decision.
07-27-2009 | 07:23 AM
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I don't work for RAH.
BUT - your business model hasn't been sustainable for some time know and it was Hoeksema, not RAH pilots or even RAH management, who sent you down this path.
I honestly, truly wish you folks all the best...but as an outsider looking in I can't help but think a little less anger and a little more teamwork between your pilot group and the RAH pilot group would pay dividends for both parties involved.
BUT - your business model hasn't been sustainable for some time know and it was Hoeksema, not RAH pilots or even RAH management, who sent you down this path.
I honestly, truly wish you folks all the best...but as an outsider looking in I can't help but think a little less anger and a little more teamwork between your pilot group and the RAH pilot group would pay dividends for both parties involved.
A bunch of people on here have been trying to get this across to him and 320, but like I said earlier, it seems like brick walls may not be able to hear us.
07-27-2009 | 07:25 AM
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DoH isn't going to happen. Its not a part of ALPA merger/frag policy OR Allegheny/Mohawk. Since RAH isn't ALPA, Allegheny/Mohawk is the ruling policy in this case.
And precedent says that since furloughees don't bring a job to the SLI, they get added to the bottom of the list.
That's exactly why all the YX guys will get furloughed before the SLI is accomplished. They'll then get stapled BELOW the RAH furloughees. And the F9 furloughees will get stapled beneath the YX guys.
Don't be surprised if RAH starts "outsourcing" F9 flying to RAH E-190s and starts furloughing more F9 guys.
And precedent says that since furloughees don't bring a job to the SLI, they get added to the bottom of the list.
That's exactly why all the YX guys will get furloughed before the SLI is accomplished. They'll then get stapled BELOW the RAH furloughees. And the F9 furloughees will get stapled beneath the YX guys.
Don't be surprised if RAH starts "outsourcing" F9 flying to RAH E-190s and starts furloughing more F9 guys.
07-27-2009 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter
That's exactly why all the YX guys will get furloughed before the SLI is accomplished. They'll then get stapled BELOW the RAH furloughees. And the F9 furloughees will get stapled beneath the YX guys.
Don't be surprised if RAH starts "outsourcing" F9 flying to RAH E-190s and starts furloughing more F9 guys.
Don't be surprised if RAH starts "outsourcing" F9 flying to RAH E-190s and starts furloughing more F9 guys.
07-27-2009 | 07:39 AM
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DoH isn't going to happen. Its not a part of ALPA merger/frag policy OR Allegheny/Mohawk. Since RAH isn't ALPA, Allegheny/Mohawk is the ruling policy in this case.
And precedent says that since furloughees don't bring a job to the SLI, they get added to the bottom of the list.
That's exactly why all the YX guys will get furloughed before the SLI is accomplished. They'll then get stapled BELOW the RAH furloughees. And the F9 furloughees will get stapled beneath the YX guys.
Don't be surprised if RAH starts "outsourcing" F9 flying to RAH E-190s and starts furloughing more F9 guys.
And precedent says that since furloughees don't bring a job to the SLI, they get added to the bottom of the list.
That's exactly why all the YX guys will get furloughed before the SLI is accomplished. They'll then get stapled BELOW the RAH furloughees. And the F9 furloughees will get stapled beneath the YX guys.
Don't be surprised if RAH starts "outsourcing" F9 flying to RAH E-190s and starts furloughing more F9 guys.
07-27-2009 | 07:44 AM
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Part of the real problem here as I see it is BOTH sides are right, let me explain...
1. The midwest pilot group has been flying those routes for years, and when RAH bought them they bought those routes and contracts. These guys with decades serving these routes dont want to be replaced by less senior pilots...I get that
2. Republic pilots hired into a company that they thought was stable and had good potential for job security. RAH pilots chose right in this case and Midwest pilots chose wrong. THis is not the fault of a RAH pilot so why should he get furloughed over it. The fact that Midwest starting tanking and their Umbrella corp bought out Midwest is not their fault. Every Midwest guy that gets integrated means one RAH guy gets furloughed because of the integration.
3. I really believe that RAH pilots right now, wish they'd never heard of Midwest
The fact is neither side fighting for their side is wrong, because sadly there is no right answer. And when I mean fighting, I mean for your side, in the courts and legal system, I dont mean each other physically or verbally...get it. If there was another place to go and a differant economy, the integration, while still might be met with some squables would probably be easier to do.
But in the current climate, either way you do it, a lot of pilots are going to hit the streets, so the question becomes which ones, and I wouldnt want to have to make that choice, because both sides have valid arguments.....sad sad sad
and then when its over you still have F9 to deal with also......THis whole thing from a pilots perspective on the ooutside looking in.... SUCKS
1. The midwest pilot group has been flying those routes for years, and when RAH bought them they bought those routes and contracts. These guys with decades serving these routes dont want to be replaced by less senior pilots...I get that
2. Republic pilots hired into a company that they thought was stable and had good potential for job security. RAH pilots chose right in this case and Midwest pilots chose wrong. THis is not the fault of a RAH pilot so why should he get furloughed over it. The fact that Midwest starting tanking and their Umbrella corp bought out Midwest is not their fault. Every Midwest guy that gets integrated means one RAH guy gets furloughed because of the integration.
3. I really believe that RAH pilots right now, wish they'd never heard of Midwest
The fact is neither side fighting for their side is wrong, because sadly there is no right answer. And when I mean fighting, I mean for your side, in the courts and legal system, I dont mean each other physically or verbally...get it. If there was another place to go and a differant economy, the integration, while still might be met with some squables would probably be easier to do.
But in the current climate, either way you do it, a lot of pilots are going to hit the streets, so the question becomes which ones, and I wouldnt want to have to make that choice, because both sides have valid arguments.....sad sad sad
and then when its over you still have F9 to deal with also......THis whole thing from a pilots perspective on the ooutside looking in.... SUCKS
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