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Old 07-29-2009 | 09:57 AM
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People tend to work less dedicated if they know that a 19k per year job will be waiting for them on the other end. Or a career at the regionals for that matter. There is no way that an extra few hundred hours of 1500tt will change ALL of that.
The regionals starting pay sucks! But the rewards are high (well good) if you make it to the majors. Dr.'s don't graduate medical school debt free and certainly don't make huge salaries their first few years (but better than us). I am not saying a few hundred extra hours is going to change ALL of that..... But there is a huge difference between a 300 hour pilot and a 1500 hour pilot.
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Old 07-29-2009 | 09:57 AM
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if you can't afford the ticket...well drive.
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Old 07-29-2009 | 09:58 AM
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It was about damn time!!!! I trained enough 300 hour guys on the regionals to know that teaching a guy who had a type on a CRJ how to read a map and how to talk on the radio was getting old
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Old 07-29-2009 | 09:58 AM
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Old 07-29-2009 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by papacharlie
for them to be profitable they need to charge more for the seat .
Very true! But as long as there are too many seats in the system they will sell them for too little......

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Old 07-29-2009 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
I am not saying you are a bad pilot or lack dedication, just that only those who really want to do this will stay. It's kinda like being a Dr., only those with the dedication to stay in school and have the right mentality will be successful in becoming a doctor.

and what do you think is happening now? People graduating from schools and furloughed with no hopes of recall are already choosing other career paths (grad school, office jobs, etc.)

The notion that a 1500 hour pilot is going to be some miracle cure for regional life is absurd. I agree with you and everyone else in the 200 hour rat race argument, but there are many other issues on the table to making a job at a regional level safe and worth it that need to be addressed. The colgan pilots had over 5,000 hours total when they did something pretty stupid and killed people. The comair crash werent 200 hour wonders either. Try getting scope back to where it should be, adjusting work rules so there are no more "7:59" block days with 9 hour overnights, tightening standards departments, requiring 6 month sim rides for all crew members, increase line checks to align standards better. Until then you are only going to have someone go out and banner tow or fly a 152 around for 300-600 more hours and be in no better shape when he gets to dirtbag XYZ regional, makes nothing, commutes across the country and still shows up to work with a bad attitude, looking and acting unprofessionally and not taking the job serious. So now because some blowhard senator wants to increase regional hiring to a standard that it sees every down cycle, all of a sudden people are going to not have to make careers out of regionals, be compensated fairly and management will stop lining their pockets? Sounds like that could be a crappy and depressing Weird Al parody of John Lennons "imagine."

There are dozens of issues that need to be address and I have to disagree that this will be the miracle drug to airline happiness and competence. A start? I'm all for it, but until everyone starts pressing on all the issues and gets results, it's still going to be one big APC merry go round p*ssing contest of regional vs regional and the majors poking fun at spike haired 200 hour wonder RJ pilots.
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Old 07-29-2009 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bryris


However, setting the barrier to entry at something WAY UP THERE will cause most people to go away and leave only the diehards. With a smaller pool of applicants comes better pay, QOL, and everything else - not to mention safety.

This law is a step in the right direction it seems. I am hoping it gets passed.
That is EXACTLY what I believe needs to happen in this industry as well and why.
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Old 07-29-2009 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
It's not harder training that needs to happen but more weeding out..... By requiring higher mins it will weed out some that are not as dedicated.
in my ground we were given the answers to the final and almost every quiz was a group excersize. Even with that some people failed. One of which was a CFI with thousands of hours. Flying is a talent. Some have it sone don't. I'd rather have a talented Fo with 900hrs than a high time struggler.
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Old 07-29-2009 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Galunga
and what do you think is happening now? People graduating from schools and furloughed with no hopes of recall are already choosing other career paths (grad school, office jobs, etc.)

The notion that a 1500 hour pilot is going to be some miracle cure for regional life is absurd. I agree with you and everyone else in the 200 hour rat race argument, but there are many other issues on the table to making a job at a regional level safe and worth it that need to be addressed. The colgan pilots had over 5,000 hours total when they did something pretty stupid and killed people. The comair crash werent 200 hour wonders either. Try getting scope back to where it should be, adjusting work rules so there are no more "7:59" block days with 9 hour overnights, tightening standards departments, requiring 6 month sim rides for all crew members, increase line checks to align standards better. Until then you are only going to have someone go out and banner tow or fly a 152 around for 300-600 more hours and be in no better shape when he gets to dirtbag XYZ regional, makes nothing, commutes across the country and still shows up to work with a bad attitude, looking and acting unprofessionally and not taking the job serious. So now because some blowhard senator wants to increase regional hiring to a standard that it sees every down cycle, all of a sudden people are going to not have to make careers out of regionals, be compensated fairly and management will stop lining their pockets? Sounds like that could be a crappy and depressing Weird Al parody of John Lennons "imagine."

There are dozens of issues that need to be address and I have to disagree that this will be the miracle drug to airline happiness and competence. A start? I'm all for it, but until everyone starts pressing on all the issues and gets results, it's still going to be one big APC merry go round p*ssing contest of regional vs regional and the majors poking fun at spike haired 200 hour wonder RJ pilots.
Excellent post! Requiring an ATP isn't the entire answer but rather a small piece of a much larger solution.
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Old 07-29-2009 | 10:22 AM
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Gunga, I don't think that anyone in this thread said that raising the mins to ATP is the cure all for regional woes. However, its a good start.
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