Proposed ATP/1500 Minimums for 121 Carriers
07-29-2009 | 10:23 AM
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in my ground we were given the answers to the final and almost every quiz was a group excersize. Even with that some people failed. One of which was a CFI with thousands of hours. Flying is a talent. Some have it sone don't. I'd rather have a talented Fo with 900hrs than a high time struggler.
07-29-2009 | 10:31 AM
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Some have mentioned on this thread that this law will be the gateway to a timeline as follows.
1500 hours --> less applicants --> more jobs --> higher pay, better work rules, a better job to eventually attain --> sleeping with Megan Fox.
I agree that it's a good start, it's just a shame we can't use our collective banter and occasional disagreements to get law makers and the public to get behind the deep rooted issues. Your hours when being hired barely scratches the surface . The real problem is a dark under belly that people don't know of, or do not easily understand, management could care less about and the general public will overlook when saving 11 bucks on a round trip to Flint.
07-29-2009 | 11:07 AM
#153
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As for your second point, I don't think there will be plenty of liscenced pilots to fill the ATP 1500 hour rule. Like I said, I'm not arguing against it at all. I have 1200 hours, but the passage of the law would probably cause me to look for another career path. Another three hundred hours of CFI time and the time it will take for hiring to restart is likely too long for me. I think others in my position would harbor the same thoughts. Just one man's view, though.
The solution to any possible shortage of pilots is easy: increase compensation
I agree that some of the 90-day wonder types will lose interest if they have to work in lowly GA before achieving their exalted (and richly deserved) status as airline pilots. Oh darn, good riddance.
It does not actually take that long to go from 250 to 1500 hours...2-3 years even if you don't try very hard.
07-29-2009 | 11:21 AM
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The EASA-approved training course for a commercial airline pilot tends to be rather structured and rigorous. FAA should develop and implement a corollary ground school and testing process in FAR Part 121 for all pilots who seek commercial airline careers. Testing akin to the quality of the Certified Public Accountant (CPA) exams or bar exam for attorneys would benefit aviation by serving as a screening tool to ensure that, in the future, only the most knowledgeable and dedicated pilots join the ranks of airline pilots.
Thanks for posting that up buddy.
07-29-2009 | 12:37 PM
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Edwin,
Get off your high horse! Republic and CPZ are the two most experienced "regional" airlines. Our pilot group consists of former airline, including Airways, United, etc. as well as many of the other smaller regionals; Military, both fighters and heavies; Corporate flight department pilots, both jet and prop; and the list goes on and on. Yes, we do have our low time pilots but they certainly number less than your 50% comment.
Next time you spew your trash at least have enough information to back up your blanket statements!
Joker
Get off your high horse! Republic and CPZ are the two most experienced "regional" airlines. Our pilot group consists of former airline, including Airways, United, etc. as well as many of the other smaller regionals; Military, both fighters and heavies; Corporate flight department pilots, both jet and prop; and the list goes on and on. Yes, we do have our low time pilots but they certainly number less than your 50% comment.
Next time you spew your trash at least have enough information to back up your blanket statements!
Joker
07-29-2009 | 12:42 PM
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[quote=rickair7777;652713]
For those who already meet the ATP mins, your next PC will probably be your ATP check ride.
If I am not mistaken, isn't an ATP ride a left seat ride? If an FO has the requirements for an ATP, will this also have to be a type ride in the airplane to get the ATP? Or, will it just be a checkride in the left seat to ATP standards. It is a little different flying from the other side.
I got mine when I upgraded to CA along with a type.
For those who already meet the ATP mins, your next PC will probably be your ATP check ride.
If I am not mistaken, isn't an ATP ride a left seat ride? If an FO has the requirements for an ATP, will this also have to be a type ride in the airplane to get the ATP? Or, will it just be a checkride in the left seat to ATP standards. It is a little different flying from the other side.
I got mine when I upgraded to CA along with a type.
07-29-2009 | 01:00 PM
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[quote=Big Duke 6;652880]
For those who already meet the ATP mins, your next PC will probably be your ATP check ride.
If I am not mistaken, isn't an ATP ride a left seat ride? If an FO has the requirements for an ATP, will this also have to be a type ride in the airplane to get the ATP? Or, will it just be a checkride in the left seat to ATP standards. It is a little different flying from the other side.
I got mine when I upgraded to CA along with a type.
An ATP checkride is not seat specific and the airline could make the applicant pay for the DE. I doubt the airlines will spring for the type ride as they will see no benefit to them.....
For those who already meet the ATP mins, your next PC will probably be your ATP check ride.
If I am not mistaken, isn't an ATP ride a left seat ride? If an FO has the requirements for an ATP, will this also have to be a type ride in the airplane to get the ATP? Or, will it just be a checkride in the left seat to ATP standards. It is a little different flying from the other side.
I got mine when I upgraded to CA along with a type.
An ATP checkride is not seat specific and the airline could make the applicant pay for the DE. I doubt the airlines will spring for the type ride as they will see no benefit to them.....
07-29-2009 | 01:15 PM
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Gunga, this is more how I see it:
1500 hrs --> more experienced candidates --> better captains --> increased safety
but the smaller effects of this may be:
1500 hrs --> levels the hiring playing field --> pilots with the choice go to better carriers --> bottom feeders need to raise QOL to get applicants instead of just lowering mins --> pay raises slowly --> by the time I retire, I have enough money to hire Megan Fox's daughter to star in my "movie"
1500 hrs --> more experienced candidates --> better captains --> increased safety
but the smaller effects of this may be:
1500 hrs --> levels the hiring playing field --> pilots with the choice go to better carriers --> bottom feeders need to raise QOL to get applicants instead of just lowering mins --> pay raises slowly --> by the time I retire, I have enough money to hire Megan Fox's daughter to star in my "movie"
07-29-2009 | 01:20 PM
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Gunga, this is more how I see it:
1500 hrs --> more experienced candidates --> better captains --> increased safety
but the smaller effects of this may be:
1500 hrs --> levels the hiring playing field --> pilots with the choice go to better carriers --> bottom feeders need to raise QOL to get applicants instead of just lowering mins --> pay raises slowly --> by the time I retire, I have enough money to hire Megan Fox's daughter to star in my "movie"
1500 hrs --> more experienced candidates --> better captains --> increased safety
but the smaller effects of this may be:
1500 hrs --> levels the hiring playing field --> pilots with the choice go to better carriers --> bottom feeders need to raise QOL to get applicants instead of just lowering mins --> pay raises slowly --> by the time I retire, I have enough money to hire Megan Fox's daughter to star in my "movie"
<---best faces I could find on the short list.
