Proposed ATP/1500 Minimums for 121 Carriers
07-29-2009, 07:16 AM
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There may be a pilot shortage as a result, however, how is the pay going to go up if the union keeps voting contracts that sells out the junior pilots. That's been the number one problem in this industry. Managers mismanage and only have x amount of dollars to pay out, the union decides how that x amount is divided up. Will mainline guys give up some pay to increase 1st year regional pay to attract higher qualified candidates?
07-29-2009, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Not sure where this boom is coming from...... Have you looked at how many pilots are furloughed from majors and regionals? Also our economy is in the dumps and airlines are contracting just to stay alive. There won't be any large term growth (which is what causes hiring not age 65 attrition) for the foreseeable future. I think this is a myth perpetuated by flight schools.
07-29-2009, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
PC's evaluate your skill in manipulating the controls under a given set of conditions, it does nothing to evaluate the decision making ability especially for a FO. Experience is what leads to good decision making skills....
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07-29-2009, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by seven6
I disagree with your opinion but for the sake of staying on topic I will leave it at that.
07-29-2009, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
There may be a pilot shortage as a result, however, how is the pay going to go up if the union keeps voting contracts that sells out the junior pilots. That's been the number one problem in this industry. Managers mismanage and only have x amount of dollars to pay out, the union decides how that x amount is divided up. Will mainline guys give up some pay to increase 1st year regional pay to attract higher qualified candidates?
07-29-2009, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever
Hence what happens when lawmakers become reactionary. How many of us are sitting on furlough lists within the neighborhood of 1000hrs. Now lets see dont meet the IFR mins for 135, or for the ATP, lets give em the ax and clean up that furlough list...and there are plenty of us 1000hr wonders who have never failed a test or check, done well on line checks,ect. I had someone ask me how someone could have only 1000hrs when they were with an airline for a year. Its easy junior guys sitting reserve, only flew 400hrs that year... The ATP min sounds like a good idea, and it may be, so instead well what about taking the existing guys and making them meet ATP standards on all PC's. Oh wait we already do that...see my point?
Hopefully they will at least have some kind of grandfather clause in there..time will tell
Hopefully they will at least have some kind of grandfather clause in there..time will tell
07-29-2009, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever
Ok and I don't disagree with you, but as an example I have flown with many captains ( me as FP ) that when faced with any important decisions, have always expected my input, in the process, and sometimes they have simply listened and said sounds good ( that allows me to gain decision making skills) by talking it out. You will never convince me that any flight crew where the Captain treats his FO as a "CAPT in training", and any FO that holds himself to that standard, is not valuable experiance. And it sounds an aweful lot like the mentoring that people say there needs to be more of....agreed?
As a previous APD, LCA, IP, and FC I had the privelege to evaluate and fly with both highly experienced and low time pilots. As mentioned above just because someone has the TT number does not make them a good pilot nor does being low time make them a poor pilot. What flight time does is allow an individual to understand our ATC system, and learn to make decision without putting passengers in jeopardy.
07-29-2009, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
I see what you are saying and I agree, but I don't think you understand Delta and Comair management. If they could legally let go of all of their furloughed guys, they would do it in a heart beat. Not that I think that's a good idea, but it's blatantly obvious right now that they have a hatchet in their hands.
07-29-2009, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Well then the truth is that the colgan accident is an acceptable outcome and risk given the rewards to the company and other pilots by keeping pay low for their benefit.
