Proposed ATP/1500 Minimums for 121 Carriers
07-29-2009 | 05:34 AM
#21
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From: FO
Doesn't exist anymore. I already checked. Plus, if you think about it, what happens if they (the FAA) give you a waiver, you upgrade (by some miracle) and then you crash (God forbid)? There's gonna be all kinds of hell to pay. Anyways, I suspect anyone who is already in the system will be grandpa'd in.
07-29-2009 | 05:36 AM
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From: Devil's Advocate
What about honesty???? Hanger flying or parker pen time? Anyone can sit down and pen in a thousand hours. Bold, but desperate people do desperate things. How hard would it be to catch these people who "pen" in their time? With that being said, as a past sim instructor I have seen clients come through with thousands of hours and have wondered how they have stayed alive. On the other hand I have seen those with much less experienced whose skill and judgment were excellent. I have also flown with these people that have the same experiences as previously mentioned so it's not a "sim" thing.
07-29-2009 | 05:37 AM
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From: crj-200 FO
Some guys hired with say 1000 hour or less in some cases may not have the requisite PIC hours for an ATP even when they have in excess of 1500 hours....
I have thought for many years that to fly 121 both should be "Airline Transport Pilots"...its a start if nothing else.
I have thought for many years that to fly 121 both should be "Airline Transport Pilots"...its a start if nothing else.
07-29-2009 | 05:56 AM
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I couldn't help but notice in their proposed changes there was no mention of pilots getting paid more than someone working full time at taco-bell. At the very least we should be getting mandatory quesadeas for lets say 6hrs of duty.
Also, maybe they could draft some new standards for car drivers too. They seem to be crashing as much as ever these days.
And maybe they could just make a big database for every profession out there where anyone who's failed a test ever for their related job can't get hired because even if they did go and pass the test they're still unsafe...
Also, maybe they could draft some new standards for car drivers too. They seem to be crashing as much as ever these days.
And maybe they could just make a big database for every profession out there where anyone who's failed a test ever for their related job can't get hired because even if they did go and pass the test they're still unsafe...
07-29-2009 | 05:56 AM
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That doesn't sound completely right so someone chime in if I'm wrong.
07-29-2009 | 06:19 AM
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with out that in place they essentially are just enabling the airlines to keep pay low and skimp on safety.
I emailed the FAA and told them that what the airlines were doing was equlivalent to putting a 16 year old with a fresh license behind the wheel of a schoolbus full of kids. Its only a matter of time before something bad happens.
Putting that restriction on the airlines is a step into the right direction for safety and pay. Imagine that, making the airlines hire pilots with a requirement to meet *gasp* AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT STANDARDS!!
I emailed the FAA and told them that what the airlines were doing was equlivalent to putting a 16 year old with a fresh license behind the wheel of a schoolbus full of kids. Its only a matter of time before something bad happens.
Putting that restriction on the airlines is a step into the right direction for safety and pay. Imagine that, making the airlines hire pilots with a requirement to meet *gasp* AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT STANDARDS!!
07-29-2009 | 06:19 AM
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From: CFI
As a guy who has 1200 hours, I could think of rules I like better than 1500 and an ATP. But that's life I guess. It would seem to me though this new proposal could cause a shortage of pilots because there would be so few who have that much time. I suspect lobbyist for the industry will work on that ATP 1500 hour porposal.
07-29-2009 | 06:23 AM
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From: Senior Seat Cushion Tester Extraordinaire
I would think, or at least hope that some kind of grandfather clause would protect those that already have a seniority number.
