Proposed ATP/1500 Minimums for 121 Carriers
#31
#32
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Oh, man! Did you just bring that up? I can see Delta/Comair and Mesaba putting the ax to all furloughed guys that don't meet the requirement. That would be a way for them to completely right size their companies. Would be horrible, but I wouldn't put it past them.
#33
As a guy who has 1200 hours, I could think of rules I like better than 1500 and an ATP. But that's life I guess. It would seem to me though this new proposal could cause a shortage of pilots because there would be so few who have that much time. I suspect lobbyist for the industry will work on that ATP 1500 hour porposal.
#34
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As a guy who has 1200 hours, I could think of rules I like better than 1500 and an ATP. But that's life I guess. It would seem to me though this new proposal could cause a shortage of pilots because there would be so few who have that much time. I suspect lobbyist for the industry will work on that ATP 1500 hour porposal.
Ultimately, I'm hoping this will make regionals increase pay and QOL to be able to attract those that are qualified. The current wages/QOL seem to be designed for the 200 hour SJS pilot mill wonderboys.
#35
Furloughing them in the first place is an attempt to right size the company. Further giving them an ax? Not sure what that would accomplish. If anything grandfathering them in would help offset the pain management will see with finding qualified pilots in 2012 during the hiring boom.
#36
As a guy who has 1200 hours, I could think of rules I like better than 1500 and an ATP. But that's life I guess. It would seem to me though this new proposal could cause a shortage of pilots because there would be so few who have that much time. I suspect lobbyist for the industry will work on that ATP 1500 hour porposal.
#37
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Edwin,
Get off your high horse! Republic and CPZ are the two most experienced "regional" airlines. Our pilot group consists of former airline, including Airways, United, etc. as well as many of the other smaller regionals; Military, both fighters and heavies; Corporate flight department pilots, both jet and prop; and the list goes on and on. Yes, we do have our low time pilots but they certainly number less than your 50% comment.
Next time you spew your trash at least have enough information to back up your blanket statements!
Joker
Get off your high horse! Republic and CPZ are the two most experienced "regional" airlines. Our pilot group consists of former airline, including Airways, United, etc. as well as many of the other smaller regionals; Military, both fighters and heavies; Corporate flight department pilots, both jet and prop; and the list goes on and on. Yes, we do have our low time pilots but they certainly number less than your 50% comment.
Next time you spew your trash at least have enough information to back up your blanket statements!
Joker
#38
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They got one strike with the age 65 agenda, let's see if they can hit the ball with this one.
#39
Putting an ax to furloughed guys that don't meet the requirements? I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind that statement.
Furloughing them in the first place is an attempt to right size the company. Further giving them an ax? Not sure what that would accomplish. If anything grandfathering them in would help offset the pain management will see with finding qualified pilots in 2012 during the hiring boom.
Furloughing them in the first place is an attempt to right size the company. Further giving them an ax? Not sure what that would accomplish. If anything grandfathering them in would help offset the pain management will see with finding qualified pilots in 2012 during the hiring boom.
#40
wrong, it wouldnt cause a shortage of pilots, the pay being so low caused the shortage. there are plenty of pilots out there, but there arent that many pilots willing to work for peanuts. Not to mention the large number of pilots on furlough right now that need jobs, but i assure you between the corporate pilots, freightdogs and furloughs there are pilots out there able to do the job but the pay keeps them away from ever applying to the regionals. I've been there done that and if i ever was laid off at DAL i wouldnt apply to a regional and do that over again either. I'd go do something else until recall. The regionals just arent worth it to most especially today when upgrades are running in the 5-10 year range.
with a raising of the minimums all you are going to see is a temporary shortage followed by a boom of people with the time. don't get me wrong, i am a low time guy and have no problem with raising the minimums. 1500 hours is more than reasonable to ask of someone to fly a bus around with people's lives in your hands. i do agree that pay needs to go up, i just think there will never be a TRUE shortage of pilots.
(sorry if i offended anyone named joe schmo out there)