Proposed ATP/1500 Minimums for 121 Carriers
07-29-2009 | 04:05 AM
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Just a thought, but hasn't Lufthansa had an ab-initio program in place for years? It leads me to think that 1500 hours total time is far less important than a proper selection process and proper training.
Having said that, I know that the North American aviation industry is much larger than Germany's. We would certainly like to see some changes over here, and two Airline Transport Pilots in the cockpit sounds like a good start.
Having said that, I know that the North American aviation industry is much larger than Germany's. We would certainly like to see some changes over here, and two Airline Transport Pilots in the cockpit sounds like a good start.
07-29-2009 | 04:09 AM
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1500 hours is also the first start to getting all flying back at mainline! There is hardly any training going on right now and in 2 or 3 years when people start retiring and regional captains start getting picked up one by one, they will not have enough people to hire in to the regionals with 1500 hours. Mainline at that point might be forced to bring at least the 76+ back to mainline.
07-29-2009 | 04:11 AM
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A dynamic this addresses is the fact that there will soon be 65 year old captains at the regional airlines. At least requiring an ATP will increase the possibility of getting it down when the 65 yr. old CA becomes incapacitated. Odds are much improved over a 190 hour FO with ZERO jet time, ZERO actual time on his 1st OE leg at night, in the weather flying a CRJ single pilot from the right seat.
Don't say it couldn't happen. If you asked me last year I would have thought it was not possible a 121 CA would have so little SA he would hold the yoke back pitching up over 30 deg NH on final, ignore the airspeed indicator, stick shaker, stick pusher, rudder dance stop to stop, and enter a spin at the FAF.
With all due respect, thanks Marvin you have opened my eyes to the fact that nothing is impossible.
Don't say it couldn't happen. If you asked me last year I would have thought it was not possible a 121 CA would have so little SA he would hold the yoke back pitching up over 30 deg NH on final, ignore the airspeed indicator, stick shaker, stick pusher, rudder dance stop to stop, and enter a spin at the FAF.
With all due respect, thanks Marvin you have opened my eyes to the fact that nothing is impossible.
07-29-2009 | 04:11 AM
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Just a thought, but hasn't Lufthansa had an ab-initio program in place for years? It leads me to think that 1500 hours total time is far less important than a proper selection process and proper training.
Having said that, I know that the North American aviation industry is much larger than Germany's. We would certainly like to see some changes over here, and two Airline Transport Pilots in the cockpit sounds like a good start.
Having said that, I know that the North American aviation industry is much larger than Germany's. We would certainly like to see some changes over here, and two Airline Transport Pilots in the cockpit sounds like a good start.
07-29-2009 | 04:13 AM
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Used to be a waiver for the age..... Not sure if it's still available though.
07-29-2009 | 04:15 AM
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07-29-2009 | 04:19 AM
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I think its a good idea to raise minimums, but up until recently didn't most airlines hire with close to ATP mins? I think an artificial minimum in this case may not help as much as people would think. 1500 TT in a C-172 does not raise the bar to much, after all you can get a single engine ATP. The airlines could just convert that to ME ATP.
I have a hard time believing there is much difference in skill/experience between a 900 hour and 1500 pilot who has only flown 172's. Shouldn't it be quality not quantity.
I have a hard time believing there is much difference in skill/experience between a 900 hour and 1500 pilot who has only flown 172's. Shouldn't it be quality not quantity.
07-29-2009 | 04:48 AM
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I think its a good idea to raise minimums, but up until recently didn't most airlines hire with close to ATP mins? I think an artificial minimum in this case may not help as much as people would think. 1500 TT in a C-172 does not raise the bar to much, after all you can get a single engine ATP. The airlines could just convert that to ME ATP.
[B]I have a hard time believing there is much difference in skill/experience between a 900 hour and 1500 pilot who has only flown 172's. Shouldn't it be quality not quantity.
[B]I have a hard time believing there is much difference in skill/experience between a 900 hour and 1500 pilot who has only flown 172's. Shouldn't it be quality not quantity.
07-29-2009 | 04:50 AM
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I think its a good idea to raise minimums, but up until recently didn't most airlines hire with close to ATP mins? I think an artificial minimum in this case may not help as much as people would think. 1500 TT in a C-172 does not raise the bar to much, after all you can get a single engine ATP. The airlines could just convert that to ME ATP.
I have a hard time believing there is much difference in skill/experience between a 900 hour and 1500 pilot who has only flown 172's. Shouldn't it be quality not quantity.
I have a hard time believing there is much difference in skill/experience between a 900 hour and 1500 pilot who has only flown 172's. Shouldn't it be quality not quantity.
07-29-2009 | 05:26 AM
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