Proposed ATP/1500 Minimums for 121 Carriers
07-29-2009 | 08:20 AM
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I didn't mean to sound like that was your opinion, just a simple statement of my observation of the industry. I fear the only way to get this profession back is when there are enough dead bodies that congress finally pulls the plug and forces scope recapture by mainline under law. Really, that is the problem here, it doesn't matter if the mins were 10,000 hrs at the regionals. If these jets are not mainline jobs with a mainline union fighting for them, they will not attract the right people. I think raising the hours will only bring in less desirable people, who meet those requirements.
Hey, this wouldn't be the famous CM would it???
07-29-2009 | 08:21 AM
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ya nevermind the fact that my companies training consists of force feeding us powerpoints that were made 15 years ago read verbatim, with a pointless video mixed in every few hours.
07-29-2009 | 08:23 AM
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I think that was his point, Training needs to be reworked, it doesnt weed out like it should.....
07-29-2009 | 08:26 AM
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somebody said that 20 years ago to get hire by a regional you needed 2500 tt hours...well that was 20 years ago...how many regional aircarft were flying around the country 20 years ago??? now is a hole different picture.
1500 tt to get hire...I dont think so...airlines would opose this because if they dont they will have to start paying more money to pilots and we all know this is what they dont want to do.
1500 tt to get hire...I dont think so...airlines would opose this because if they dont they will have to start paying more money to pilots and we all know this is what they dont want to do.
07-29-2009 | 08:33 AM
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[quote=wanttofly;652625]Do I have to be the first to again bring up the point that both pilots had well more than ATP minimums on the accident flight...? I fail to see how setting a higher barrier to entry will solve anything...
Wanttofly, I agree with you. Big airplanes with lots of experience crash as well as little planes. Changing hours of flight time is like increasing number of Memory items. Just because you have more Memory items in the Emer checklist doesn't make you any safer.
I think we have enough FAR to comply with already. Why don't we concentrate on the management instead. May be they should be required to go along on your trips once a while. Yeah, crew scheduling too. Take them with you say, a flight from JFK to ORD at 7pm. Chow.
Wanttofly, I agree with you. Big airplanes with lots of experience crash as well as little planes. Changing hours of flight time is like increasing number of Memory items. Just because you have more Memory items in the Emer checklist doesn't make you any safer.
I think we have enough FAR to comply with already. Why don't we concentrate on the management instead. May be they should be required to go along on your trips once a while. Yeah, crew scheduling too. Take them with you say, a flight from JFK to ORD at 7pm. Chow.
07-29-2009 | 08:34 AM
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I am all for you guys who say training needs to get better, but training only takes you half way. Experience is the other half, and according to TPROP, SIC is "captain in training".
There is a HUGE difference in reading something in a book (watching the captain) and actually doing something (making a real world decision with consequences).
Also, think about how many habits a person can pick up by watching someone. That Colgan captain had probably watch 100 captains talk up a storm on final approach, but should he have been doing that when shooting a night approach down to mins?
There is a HUGE difference in reading something in a book (watching the captain) and actually doing something (making a real world decision with consequences).
Also, think about how many habits a person can pick up by watching someone. That Colgan captain had probably watch 100 captains talk up a storm on final approach, but should he have been doing that when shooting a night approach down to mins?
07-29-2009 | 08:40 AM
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1000 hrs of night, instrument PIC is NOT the same thing as taking 20 minutes to memorize a checklist.
This is making me sick that we are so eager to lower the bar. Yes, 1500 may be arbitrary and may be no different than 1400 or 1600, but its A LOT different that 200.
Does experience mean NOTHING to you guys? Does it not frighten you at all that a person who was hired with 200 hrs has pretty much never had to make a decision that was followed by consequences? There is a huge difference between a nice, safe situation where you make a decisions and have a warm, fuzzy discussion about the consequences and actually making a life or death decision and "living" with the consequences.
