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08-04-2009 | 07:56 PM
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They also don't seem to like the turboprop product. From my vantage point they seem to like the "stretched" RJs. I don't really have my finger on the pulse of the industry or Delta, but this is the feeling I get.
08-04-2009 | 08:30 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. Are you suggesting then that there would be plenty of regional guys who would be willing to fly a 767 across the pond for $23/hour on the hopes that by building that heavy time they will qualify for that "mainline job" someday?
The reason you are seeing the shifting of flying is because there is no contract to break and go to court over. With the wholly owned carriers they can cut at will. Unfortunately, that means that life at Mesaba and Comair is going to be very difficult. The current management team does not like the RJ product. As long as they are in place you will see pressure in front of and behind the bows of every DCI operator.
The reason you are seeing the shifting of flying is because there is no contract to break and go to court over. With the wholly owned carriers they can cut at will. Unfortunately, that means that life at Mesaba and Comair is going to be very difficult. The current management team does not like the RJ product. As long as they are in place you will see pressure in front of and behind the bows of every DCI operator.
I apologize if I did not make my point clear, I’m not suggesting that anyone will agree to fly 767’s for $23/hour; I’m just trying to make a point. I’m sure you know as well as I do that management wants to cut labor cost in any way possible. They do not care about the little guy (you & I). If management can get away with it, they will outsource all flying to the lowest bidder.
08-04-2009 | 10:52 PM
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I say try it, and before you could even get it filed they would be moving your assets.
Fact is that RA is a lawyer and though vague he is definitely referring to the mainline employees.
He is responsible for the shrinking of DCI. The man knows there is a place for RJ's. He just knows that their place at the table needs to shrink. That is actually good for you guys. It means more mainline jobs.
Fact is that RA is a lawyer and though vague he is definitely referring to the mainline employees.
He is responsible for the shrinking of DCI. The man knows there is a place for RJ's. He just knows that their place at the table needs to shrink. That is actually good for you guys. It means more mainline jobs.
I don't think the current shrinking of the wholly owned carriers means more mainline flying. Taking the Saab out of Dubuque or International Falls will never mean an Airbus will take over that route...ever. It's that type of shrinking that makes me furious. That's the kind of shrinking currently happening. I would understand your statement if they took the RJ off the MSP-SLC or MSP-IAH route and replaced them with an Airbus. Those RJ routes are going strong.
08-05-2009 | 03:19 AM
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From: Trying to remember "Thrust Normal", "Checks", and something else besides "How are the rides today?"
One thing everyone must realize is that a full airplane or half full (no matter the size) does not neccessarily mean the route is profitable. The factor that DAL is mostly concerned about is yield. If the price of the ticket vs the cost of the seat is not in proportion then the yield is low or non existent and the route does not work for DAL.
If I'Falls and Dubuque produce low yields then DAL will pull the flight. Please do not associate the number of bums in the seat to a profitable flight. That will always lead to erroneous numbers.
If I'Falls and Dubuque produce low yields then DAL will pull the flight. Please do not associate the number of bums in the seat to a profitable flight. That will always lead to erroneous numbers.
08-05-2009 | 04:32 AM
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For years, mainline pilots have used us as bargaining chips, with empty promises of staples and flow throughs in exchange. It's hard to imagine a world where they don't have that to hold over us any more. "The times they are-a- changin'!"
08-05-2009 | 04:53 AM
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FWIW, I'm seeing more and more young FOs these days that have no desire to go to mainline. For them, they always wanted to be a jet pilot and they're there. This job is easy with low expectations, and they don't really care about the money, because they're wealthy. They see friends at Delta flying 5 legs in a junk maddog or commuting to a NYC crashpad and say no thanks.
For years, mainline pilots have used us as bargaining chips, with empty promises of staples and flow throughs in exchange. It's hard to imagine a world where they don't have that to hold over us any more. "The times they are-a- changin'!"
For years, mainline pilots have used us as bargaining chips, with empty promises of staples and flow throughs in exchange. It's hard to imagine a world where they don't have that to hold over us any more. "The times they are-a- changin'!"
08-05-2009 | 05:02 AM
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And note I said "I'm seeing more and more" not "all FOs...". Of course some still think they'll end up at mainline (I once thought that too, but 2 recessions and age 65 pretty much killed that... they'll learn too). The "Generation Me" group is different than anything we've seen. They have no ambition. As I said the times are changing!
08-05-2009 | 05:19 AM
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The regionals will never be more than pawns in management's game. The regional tail won't wag the dog.
08-05-2009 | 05:54 AM
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