The ASA MEC "told" ASA management that we would like ASA to hire furloughed Delta pilots, and let them keep their seniority (I was on the MEC). Management agreed. So yeah, some regionals did.

 

OK....

http://www.rjdefense.com/2003/ASALit...heet111803.pdf

Not that you were a part of this...

 

<comments removed> What part of this confuses you?

Ken Cooksey's lawsuit against ALPA had nothing to do with the FACT that we hired DAL pilots during their furlough, and welcomed them with open arms. And FWIW, despite their badgering, something like 80 ASA pilots (out of 1500) actually sent the RJDC money. It was never popular here.

 

I guess its my naivety, but i don't understand why Delta (or insert mainline of your choice) needs "regional airlines" anyway. I don't see why an airline can't fly everything from a Saab to a 747-400. I guess in my opinon (what ever thats worth) it would slow the rush to the bottom. It would allow managment to use whichever fleet type to cover routes. Furthermore, with the whole contract carrier issue that the colgan crash brought to the public light, it would have a better perception in the public eye. I know there are flaws in my theory. I know that there are guys who consider us regional guys all 250 wonders and second class underqualified pilots. I just think it makes sense..... but who am I...... back to mom"s basement....... she cuts the crust off my sandwiches

 

Why do you mainline guys keep bringing up the past?? 9/11...bankruptcy...etc. Never in my comment's have I even eluded to that. I am talking about NOW. I know you guys took it up the rear this past decade. I KNOW! I'm not talking about that.
I also know you mainline junior guys are worried about losing your jobs. EVERY junior guy at EVERY major airline is worried about losing their jobs. Why do you bring this up?
Right now the regional guys ARE losing their jobs. And I am so sick and tired of mainline guys thinking ALL regional guys are second rate 250 wonders. How does having 250 hours lessen the blow of getting furloughed than a guy who has 25,000 hours? I don't get your argument? It's lame.
Yes you've been burned. I don't deny that. This past post of yours was just a venting session you needed to write to make yourself feel better. Lose the chip on your shoulder and move on. Let’s work together. There's a new generation of pilots now and there's no reason we should be living in the past. Lose your pride and get on the bandwagon to fight for better contracts, better QOL, better working conditions, better wages, etc.

PS, don’t worry, we will always remember the crap you guys took after 9/11. So, we don't need any more lectures on it.
Maybe my post subject line should have said "How can we all work together and move on from the past?"

 

I found this on a different thread. I think this is a great idea. The only reason I'm bringing this over from another thread is because I was asked in a previous post " what do you want us to do about it?". This is a good start. Help this happen. Let's REALLY work together to strengthen this industry as a whole!


Airline laments hiring of Flight 3407 pilot : Home: The Buffalo News airline laments hiring of regional pilot.


I want to point out a very interesting point in this article:
"But the executives withheld judgment on a new proposal by Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., that would make major airlines legally responsible for crashes by the regional airlines they hire to run their smaller routes."

I think there is alot of merit in this comment. I strongly agree with Senator Johanns proposal, because it will help put an end to underbidding contracts, which is an underlying problem in the poor pay and quality of life in the regional airline industry. Majors would start awarding contracts based on more than just lowest bidder (preventing automatic awards to bottom feeders like CJC), because they now share liability.

 

Please....I can't help that you don't see the big picture, your short sighted posts are telling.

Where was your call for unity for the few thousand of American pilots STILL furloughed since 9/11? United pilots who are STILL on the streets and have been furloughed numerous times? DAL pilots who were furloughed? CAL pilots who are PRESENTLY furloughed? AirTran pilots who were furloughed earlier this year? Other regional pilots who have RECENTLY been furloughed?

If you can not fit the pieces together on why the past matters, then you need to evaluate why you want unity. Is it for selfish reasons? You see your airline furloughing, therefore we all must stand behind your pain, right? You see your career progression severely affected, therefore we must stand behind you, right? Get over yourself! I hate anyone being furloughed, but as I said, protecting mainline jobs is priority #1. FWIW, I believe DAL will furlough next year. But to RA's credit, he has done a lot to avoid a furlough so far. That doesn't mean I trust what he says.

As for your 250 hr response...I guess lawmakers see the value of at least having, at minimum, an ATP to get hired.

 

Ugh, I knew this would be your response. "You regional pilots don't understand...not until you become a high and mighty major airline pilot will you understand". That mentality drives me crazy. Much to your surprise we tiny, insignificant, clueless and ignorant regional pilots do understand the past and do put the pieces together. Once again, thanks for the history lesson that we didn't ask for. Once again, thanks for letting us know mainline jobs are #1. I have said that about a dozen times on this thread. No I won't give RA credit. Not one BIT.
You have strayed from the topic just to teach us a history lesson. Thanks.
It's people like you and your mentality that impedes this industry to move forward because you are stuck in the past.
Now, please read my comment before this one. Let's get back on subject.

 

Thrust, I commend you on your argument. What you have learned in this history lesson is that there is NO unity. There is no industry wide unity, there is not union wide unity. There is no brand unity. Last but not least, there is no pilot group unity. This all comes tumbling down from the top. It is very evident, especially when times get rough. Every pilot is out for themselves. The old salts justify it by pushing the history lessons, the junior people on the list justify it by claiming they paid their dues. As the hooey rolls down hill, the regioal pilots are told to grin and bear it because it wasn't our flying to begin with. I understand that it doesn't make sense to take an A-330 to Toledo from DTW, but it would give back a main line job. So, in this we have proven that the guys at the top of the heap are just as guilty of the ME syndrome as the 200 hour "generation me" guys. As a former corporate pilot I feel that main line guys stole my flying. Selling cheap tickets running routes in big fast airplanes. Stealing my job....... We all have an axe to grind, but until we can stand in unity, nothing will change.........

 

Thank you for your comment. I didn't want this to turn into a fighting match between me and a major guy. I agree with you 100%.
The mentality of the pilot groups is off course. We need to come together to change the way things are. The major guys should know this better than anyone. However, I can understand why they are so jaded.

Yes, this mentality starts at the very top. That's why it makes me so furious to see any pilot stand up for their CEO who has absolutely NO intention to improve the airline industry from a pilot's point of view. I can't believe a major airline pilot would fall for such a comment put out by his/her CEO's load of you-know-what. CEO's want their employees to believe that they are the saviors and the ones who are "Saving" their jobs. Come on... I even see right through that.

We ALL must fight for unity. Unity in the pilot groups. Unity in the DELTA family since that's where my loyalty should stand. I am a part of the Delta group and I will start there. I feel horrible for the AA pilots on furlough, the Continental pilots who are probably going to start furloughing soon and the AirTran guys who furloughed a while back...not to mention all of the other regional airlines who have furloughed.

Let's not sit back and in the mean time bicker back and forth about who has it worse. That gets us no where. Let's come up with things we can do, small things at first, to get on the same page. Let's push for better work rules, better pay, better QOL and better leaders at ALL levels of the Delta family. Comair, Mesaba, Compass, and Delta. Remember we are a new generation of pilots who are WILLING to make things change. We are not stuck in the past like so many others.