thrustsetrj200

I can understand you guys trying to put compass on your list. I wouldn't be surprised if Comair merged with Mesaba. It would make business sense. They are a much more senior group so that would a kick in the groin for Mesaba.
I totally agree with you about you guys getting the longer routes back. I am ALL for mainline growth. I want you guys to grow TONS and tons. I want a job there one day. I want higher pay for you guys. I agree MSP-DFW needs to be mainline. My issue with Delta now is that they are trying to cut 9 small routes that mainline would never take. MSP-Dubuque, MSP-International Falls, ATL-Hilton Head...etc. Those are the routes we are losing. That' why we are furloughing. This recent furlough has nothing to do with mainline getting routes back. That's what's frustrating. We are losing Saabs when we should be getting more.
But my issue is with RA and him living up to the stereotypical CEO mentality. "We are doing great and we aren't cutting any jobs!" That's totaly BS and us small guys are getting left in the dust. I just wish so many Delta mainline guys wouldn't buy into these lies and stand up for your bro's and sisters at the wholly owned.

John Pennekamp

What's that supposed to mean? Are you insinuating I was an RJDC supporter? Because I have no plans to go to a Legacy? Only unintelligent individuals make such rash generalizations.

INAV8OR

Join the club, mainline is losing routes too. They may not be ATL to hilton head or to DBQ. We are losing international routes too, so we all feel the pain. If a route is productive, it gets cut. It has nothing to do with which airline flies it.

flycrj200

To all of you guys at Delta mainline that think RA is a saint and will not sell out his employee to make a buck, you are wrong. Read RA’s memo on DeltaNet. More cuts are coming. And yes I know he did not mention pilots or flight attendants, but salaried employees are also part of the Delta so called family. It’s not just about pilots. I said it before and will say it again; RA does not care about the little guy.

thrustsetrj200

I already said I understand that routes are always being tweaked. Mainline and regionals.
You guys are not feeling the pain. You aren't furloughing.
This discussion has turned into mainline vs regional. It's been talked to death. The routes we are loosing are purely regional routes. Stuff mainline would never fly. I just don't get how so many mainline guys can stand for the type of language RA is using. I don't see how you guys can believe his brainwash. He's an excellent lawyer and his lawyer talk is pursuasive!
I am not speaking about ALL mainline guys. I know a lot of you see through his bs.
Once again, I am frustrated by the "we are doing well...well enough that we haven't cut pilot jobs" attitude by management. That's bs and I don't want anyone to be sucked into the false claims.
Stand up for your brothers and sisters at the wholly owned.

Truman_Sparks

And there it is!!!!

Are there routes that we are tighting?

thrustsetrj200

oh..toooo many ooooooooooooossss

RichieAshburn

I can only hope you do not feel the same "pain" in your short career that I've had in mine at DAL. I wish furlough on no one, as I know how it feels. But to say we (DAL) have not felt the pain is a very stupid statement.

You do remember regionals grew while mainline furloughed, right? You do understand that junior pilots at DAL are VERY concerned about losing(or in your case, loosing) our much higher paying jobs that we have worked YEARS to get to? Do you want me to share the pain because some of your 250 hr wonders are getting furloughed? I wish they weren't "f'd", but, there is no comparison to what we have gone through.

Did regionals "stand up" for us mainline furloughs like you are seeking? Ask Comair pilots if they stood up for DAL furloughs. What do you suggest we do? I hate all cuts, but in this economy, preserving mainline jobs is priority #1. You'll thank us later(btw, you're welcome).

Justdoinmyjob

Ya know Richie, you said it better than I could. I didn't see anyone standing up for me when I got furloughed for over four years except mainline pilots. I didn't see any angst and upset pilots at regionals after 9/11 when the regionals when on a growth binge. Face it, it's the regionals turn in the barrel. It sucks, but there it is. For those who take issue about not being included in the "Delta Family," it's not all it's cracked up to be.

This isn't a zero sum game. There are winners and losers. As much as that hurts, that's life. In the inevitable capacity reduction, towns all across this country will lose service. Towns that can only support an RJ or TP flight are the front runners. People lose jobs and companies survive. Weak companies go away and the competition thrives. This industry will look nothing like it does now in the next 10 years. Just like it looks nothing like it did 10 years ago.

SaltyDog

This thread is a report card to Labor Management that they have a B+ on pitting pilots against one another. They are still working on getting an A.
I am sure they appreciate all the efforts we pilots do to rip the guts outta each other. <ng> Regional pilots are not mentored nor taken aboard to develop by the 'major' pilot groups.
Union leadership needs to be real leaders for the industry, not just their own because management runs across party lines. Pilots get stuck along those lines. Industry troubles aside, they love the career lasting damage that results from difficult economic periods. The one silver lining for management that always pays dividends. Just like an accident, we all need to break the chain of pilot profession destruction. I hold the union leaders accountable to our entire profession. ALPA, Teamster, Independent unions are all responsible to work together more effectively and work out their differences and work in a coordinated fashion.