Selcall

And with flamebait like this I will gladly ensure that I feed you to the wolves everychance I get....

DAL4EVER

Perhaps its lack of sleep following an all-nighter but I'll bite. Please enlighten me on how DAL fed you to the wolves and your whole warped 10 year old school yard fight mentality of "you hurt me so I'm gonna hurt you"?

Edwin

Not trying to start a war here but ask your MEC Chairman Lee Moak. That is if his majesty has any time to answer you. Ask him how the Midwest people who came to see him time and time again were treated. Ask him how our MEC begged him not to but he "carved us out" anyway. I am sure most of the Delta pilots don't even know or care. It's a mute point now. What's not a mute point is as of last Friday, I became a Republic pilot and will soon have my wages cut IN HALF. Republic does a lot of main line flying for Delta. Good. I will gladly fly anything Delta has. Isn't your two year no furlough clause coming up soon? As you hit the street, many low paid pilots will be filling your seats. I will be one of those. Thanks again to my AlPA brothers and sisters. Bring on the Teamsters.

thrustsetrj200

DAL4EVER, this guy is posting flaimbait. Just ignore his postings because he/she probably isn't even a pilot or is just trying to get this thread closed.
Moving on.

I know Delta wants high yield routes. I REALLY am not that ignorant. I know there are dozens are "low yield" mainline Delta routes out there. Delta isn't cutting those routes and parking planes, therefore creating a need to immediately cut pilots because of the fall schedule. I also know routes are always being tweaked to accommodate the ever-changing demand. RA is proud at the fact that there have not been any frontline cuts and I know Delta is not immune to furloughs in the near future. I don't need anyone to point out the obvious to me.

My point was that RA, in his weekly update, failed to mention there have been HUNDREDS of furloughs and job cuts in the Delta system...in the wholly owned. He is masking the fact that he has made the decision to CUT jobs. He's not being truthful and he's leaving us out. I'm one of those "regional guys" who wants to change the way regionals are viewed. I'm tired of being left in the dust. Everyone keeps saying "no one is doing anything to help change the way regionals are viewed and how they are treated." Here I am making my voice heard. What can we do at regionals to let our voice be heard?

INAV8OR

As a Former Comair Guy, I can safely say the best way to get to the Major airlines is stay away from Comair. I told this to my FO's 3 yrs, "go to republic or Chat. or somewhere all you will do here is collect dust." Every guy said the same thing, "I dont want to give up my seniority or start over (most guys had less then 2.5 yrs at comair)." No telling where they would be at. So, my friend if you want to get to the major airlines, get a job where you can get PIC quick, with in 2.5 yrs--Most everyone should be hiring by then. DO NOT SIT ON YOUR HANDS AND ROT AT COMAIR

thrustsetrj200

Well I avoided Comair on purpose when I applied to the regionals. I avoided all Delta carriers on purpose. (I'm not at Comair).
I decided to work at the NWA wholly owned because it was the best at the time. Upgrades were happening quickly and that meant I would have been building PIC quickly. I want to work for a major ASAP.
Now since the merger I am now a part of the DCI crap I was avoiding and things are moving backwards!

Justdoinmyjob

And this is where the breakdown is. Most DCI employees view themselves as members of the "Delta Family," whereas most Delta employees view the DCI employees as contractors and not part of the family. Not saying it's right, or trying to start an "us/them" fight, just pointing out the discontinuity. Unfortunately, you won't get much support from mainline employees on this.

Justdoinmyjob

There's just so much wrong with this, I'm not even going to start. As a former Teamster roofer however, I will say that the union thugs I worked with would kneecap a person in a heartbeat for saying how they would relish the chance to undercut another union job.

thrustsetrj200

I'm not looking for sympathy from mainline. I know the wholly owned carriers are the LAST thing on your guys' minds. I think it's unfortunate. We ARE a part of the Delta Family. Most of you mainline guys were here at one point. You know what it's like feel like the poop on the bottom of delta's shoe. Every time I talk to a Delta mainline jumpseater in our cockpit they never had a clue as to what's going on at the wholly owned. I don't blame you. I would block out horrible regional memories too if I were you.
However, I don't think that's right. The wholly owned are NOT contractors. Pinnacle, RAH, Mesa, Skywest, ASA, etc are contractors and can't call themselves part of the fam.
I know most, if not ALL, of the mainline guys are very happy to hear the regionals are shrinking. They want the flying back. I think it sucks we have to "compete" against each other. It shouldn't be like that. I think it sucks that pilots, especially within the same airline family, have to bicker back an forth. I think it sucks that mainline guys hope for regional route reductions and can be so oblivious that their own brothers in the family are being furloughed and not even know about it!!. Essentially that's what happens when shrinkage occures. It's hard not to take it personally.
This past trip we carried 5 different mainline Delta pilots in the JS and not ONE knew we were furloughing 110 guys.

INAV8OR

OK, as a mainline guy and a former Regional guy, I can say that the regional guys are the first things on our minds right now. We are trying to get compass on our list, there is all talk about merging a small comair to mesaba and there is no one hoping regional routes reduce. I didn't understand it either when I was at comair, but now I see both sides. To create mainline high paying flying jobs, the flying done by rj's needs to be done by mainline guys. EG MSP to DFW-almost all RJ's now, if that flying goes back to mainline, more major airline pilots are needed. Then when guys move to the majors there is movement in the Regionals. During 2001 to 2004 comair hired like crazy b/c we were flying more mainline routes, now the tables have turned the 50 seat market is not a money maker as much as it was. FWIW, none of us want to see anyone furloughed...