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Old 08-20-2009 | 08:11 AM
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Simply, I was wondering if at your airline, was there a certain level of infighting that happened during contract negotiations?
Pinnacle seems to have a fairly heavy amount of fighting going on between the TA and the "Signing Bonus" ...
Please let me know how about your experience!
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Old 08-20-2009 | 08:52 AM
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Greedy FO's from the "ME" generation want all the money. They have been there and suffered for 2 whole YEARS! They forget that everyone else has suffered for 5 times as long as they have.

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Old 08-20-2009 | 09:18 AM
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I would like to thank you for your post for a number of reasons ... Thank You:
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When it comes down to it, everybodu is only out for themselves. Get OVER IT!
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Old 08-20-2009 | 09:33 AM
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+1 rama.....
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Old 08-20-2009 | 09:37 AM
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Is it the greedy FOs who mAke peanuts or the senior captains that wanna base it off w2's? How's that fair. Retro pay was the only fair way and we got hosed on that deal. Once again.... Simply the best.
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Old 08-20-2009 | 09:42 AM
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I think infighting during any vote is pretty common.
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Old 08-20-2009 | 09:45 AM
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I see all the FO's are off today...complaining as usual
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Old 08-20-2009 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by The Farang
I see all the FO's are off today...complaining as usual
Troll?

Does it make sense to compensate those who have only suffered without a COLA and throw the 50+% of the group that are FO's or were FO's under the bus? In unity this group denied the raises for FO's a couple years ago, that alone needs to take the w-2 method off the table. The formula will not be "fair" to everyone, and just like the nwa/dl merger of lists both sides were upset, yet the process was done via a formula that was a non-bias setup. The only thing that every pilot has to differentiate each other is time here under the amendable time. To add insult to injury a -900 2n year reservist would make more on the w-2 method than a 3-4yr -200 lineholder. There is no "right" way or even a precedent that we can apply, we all need to form a way that is mutually benefitial and rewards the bonus money oN a justified and easy to understand metric.
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Old 08-20-2009 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
I think infighting during any vote is pretty common.

That's what I was gonna say. Doesn't matter if it it's a major, legacy, cargo carrier. You'll always have it come vote time.
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Old 08-20-2009 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
Troll?

Does it make sense to compensate those who have only suffered without a COLA and throw the 50+% of the group that are FO's or were FO's under the bus? In unity this group denied the raises for FO's a couple years ago, that alone needs to take the w-2 method off the table. The formula will not be "fair" to everyone, and just like the nwa/dl merger of lists both sides were upset, yet the process was done via a formula that was a non-bias setup. The only thing that every pilot has to differentiate each other is time here under the amendable time. To add insult to injury a -900 2n year reservist would make more on the w-2 method than a 3-4yr -200 lineholder. There is no "right" way or even a precedent that we can apply, we all need to form a way that is mutually benefitial and rewards the bonus money oN a justified and easy to understand metric.
What about those FO's, who are now captains that suffered on FO pay long before you got here? Should they get more money due to the 'time value of money'?

I'm not saying the W2 method is a good method.

I love how money causes so much drama. Money runs the world.
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