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ToiletDuck 09-10-2009 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 676205)
Some Republic guys just see this alittle different.

I mean, if you look at SkierGuy22 postings. He's furloughed from Republic, just got his Gold Seal CFI and is working on his ATP license. He's not concerned about pay scales, work rules, benefits, retirement planning or the future of our profession. All he wants is to build flight time and upgrade to Captain so he can apply at a real airline.

Congratulations SkierGuy22 on getting the Gold Seal.

You have anything to back that up or are you once again making things up on another's behalf?:rolleyes:

Dirty Rat I don't think anyone is saying that what's happened with Midwest is funny. Some are probably just poking at a few of you for the non-stop complaining, whining, and finger pointing. You guys fail to see that Midwest was a failed airline. Do a little searching back a few years here on the forum and read posts about "the writing's on the wall" etc. Long before RAH was ever in the picture. I'm sorry these things have happened to you guys but you're really fooling yourself if you think Midwest was a nice thriving place that was capable of surviving the turmoils of the industry. Obviously it wasn't. I'm not trying to come off as rude or mean here but you guys are really pushing it with the attitudes you're showing to others. The non-stop name calling, finger pointing, and flat out harassment needs to go. If you don't like what future RAH has to offer you then you always have the option to seek employment elsewhere. I'm not saying anyone here has to like those cards but for once lets be a little realistic and accept the fact that those are the ones that were dealt. You can either complain all day about the past or try and be a little constructive about your future. P!ss|ng off everyone you're hoping to get a good integration from seems a little counter productive in my opinion.

Dirty Rat 09-10-2009 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 676381)
You have anything to back that up or are you once again making things up on another's behalf?:rolleyes:

Dirty Rat I don't think anyone is saying that what's happened with Midwest is funny. Some are probably just poking at a few of you for the non-stop complaining, whining, and finger pointing. You guys fail to see that Midwest was a failed airline. Do a little searching back a few years here on the forum and read posts about "the writing's on the wall" etc. Long before RAH was ever in the picture. I'm sorry these things have happened to you guys but you're really fooling yourself if you think Midwest was a nice thriving place that was capable of surviving the turmoils of the industry. Obviously it wasn't. I'm not trying to come off as rude or mean here but you guys are really pushing it with the attitudes you're showing to others. The non-stop name calling, finger pointing, and flat out harassment needs to go. If you don't like what future RAH has to offer you then you always have the option to seek employment elsewhere. I'm not saying anyone here has to like those cards but for once lets be a little realistic and accept the fact that those are the ones that were dealt. You can either complain all day about the past or try and be a little constructive about your future. P!ss|ng off everyone you're hoping to get a good integration from seems a little counter productive in my opinion.

Mr Toilet,

Please show me the data sheets that show Midwest not being around on its own. Its been on its own for 25 years. It was not bankrupt. Just because a maggot in a blue suit says its going down does not mean that is the end of it. Did we have problems? Yes. We we hurting dollar wise? Depends on who you ask. When TPG bought the company in early 2007, Midwest had more cash on hand than any other airline out there. After it was raped and picked clean by Northwest, there was nothing left. We had a CEO who was an imcompetent jackass and was backed by a board of his friends who looked the other way while this moron dug himself deeper and deeper into a hole. It is now just a shell of what it was and you guys going around telling the public on your flights that you are Midwest isn't helping things on our end. You are not Midwest. You are not and never will be. You may own the brand but you will never deliver on what we built. That is why I am urging all my friends and family to never fly Midwest again.

flyguy23 09-10-2009 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by Dirty Rat (Post 676399)
Mr Toilet,

Please show me the data sheets that show Midwest not being around on its own. Its been on its own for 25 years. It was not bankrupt. Just because a maggot in a blue suit says its going down does not mean that is the end of it. Did we have problems? Yes. We we hurting dollar wise? Depends on who you ask. When TPG bought the company in early 2007, Midwest had more cash on hand than any other airline out there. After it was raped and picked clean by Northwest, there was nothing left. We had a CEO who was an imcompetent jackass and was backed by a board of his friends who looked the other way while this moron dug himself deeper and deeper into a hole. It is now just a shell of what it was and you guys going around telling the public on your flights that you are Midwest isn't helping things on our end. You are not Midwest. You are not and never will be. You may own the brand but you will never deliver on what we built. That is why I am urging all my friends and family to never fly Midwest again.


You're going to fly for Republic? That will be interesting....

ToiletDuck 09-10-2009 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Dirty Rat (Post 676399)
Mr Toilet,

Please show me the data sheets that show Midwest not being around on its own.

Data sheets I don't have but what I do have is enough common sense to see that when a major has to borrow money from a regional, instead of lending institutions, then things aren't working out. You're basically telling me I can't believe anything stated by your company, press, my company, or anyone else except what you chose to believe here. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. The ranters here will spend one second discrediting a source then turn around and use it later on when it suits them. No I don't have data sheets but you have an airline that was purchased by a regional and stated that without funding they wouldn't have made it. If you have something to prove otherwise I'd love to see it. I'm all for getting the facts.

I've asked you three times, this makes four, to show me how your contract is being violated and haven't seen anything come from it. You simply took your rants in another direction. All you do is complain and point fingers at everyone you can yet offer nothing substantial. I fully appreciate the situation for what it is and sympathize with everyone caught up in it, including you even though your actions make me hope I never have the displeasure of meeting you, and I honestly think there's real potential. I also realize that the past is the past and no matter how much you want you can't change that. The way I see it you have two options, this applies to everyone in life, where you can either sit and complain about things that can't be helped or you can be the person that tries to make things better. With those options, that we all have, I never understand why anyone wouldn't chose the latter. You can either be part of a problem or part of the solution. Where's the rational in you coming to work here then turning around and telling everyone you know not to fly the brand? If you're that hard-up to end up on the street just resign.

YXnot 09-10-2009 11:24 AM

TD

Vanguard and ATA were failed airlines.

Airtran wanted to buy Midwest.

Northwest and TPG wanted and bought Midwest.

RAH wanted and bought Midwest.

Midwest never filed for bankruptcy.

Midwest is a failed airline only in the sense that it failed its own employees.

The ones who made it so successful.

Midwest had a 50% + share of all MKE traffic 18 mos ago.
thats a failed airline HOW???



You seem to beat that horse dead and I'm guessing thats how you rationalize your complicity in what your CEO has done. Thats OK if thats what helps you sleep. Just remember that Biron Buford thinks Midwest is in part, his ticket to the big time. I've seen the Midwest E190 in LAX.
He could have chosen Hooters air if he wanted.

I need a RAH escort to the company picnic??? Anyone??

Dirty Rat 09-10-2009 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 676408)
Data sheets I don't have but what I do have is enough common sense to see that when a major has to borrow money from a regional, instead of lending institutions, then things aren't working out. You're basically telling me I can't believe anything stated by your company, press, my company, or anyone else except what you chose to believe here. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. The ranters here will spend one second discrediting a source then turn around and use it later on when it suits them. No I don't have data sheets but you have an airline that was purchased by a regional and stated that without funding they wouldn't have made it. If you have something to prove otherwise I'd love to see it. I'm all for getting the facts.

I've asked you three times, this makes four, to show me how your contract is being violated and haven't seen anything come from it. You simply took your rants in another direction. All you do is complain and point fingers at everyone you can yet offer nothing substantial. I fully appreciate the situation for what it is and sympathize with everyone caught up in it, including you even though your actions make me hope I never have the displeasure of meeting you, and I honestly think there's real potential. I also realize that the past is the past and no matter how much you want you can't change that. The way I see it you have two options, this applies to everyone in life, where you can either sit and complain about things that can't be helped or you can be the person that tries to make things better. With those options, that we all have, I never understand why anyone wouldn't chose the latter. You can either be part of a problem or part of the solution. Where's the rational in you coming to work here then turning around and telling everyone you know not to fly the brand? If you're that hard-up to end up on the street just resign.

Mr. Toilet,

With all respect, I don't think it is any of your business what is in my contract. All I know and all you need to know is that Republic is now in violation of that contract. I guess we will let an Arbitrator decide who is right and who is wrong. Let's leave it at that.

ToiletDuck 09-10-2009 12:48 PM

Wow man. Take time and read a little.

ToiletDuck 09-10-2009 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Dirty Rat (Post 676466)
Mr. Toilet,

With all respect, I don't think it is any of your business what is in my contract. All I know and all you need to know is that Republic is now in violation of that contract. I guess we will let an Arbitrator decide who is right and who is wrong. Let's leave it at that.

You kinda make it people's business when you make wild public accusations. All the "SCUM" comments made how your contract is being willingly violated but then you won't show what parts. How can anyone be willingly violating it if they are never shown? It's a serious question. I don't think any union would want to violate the contract established by another union.

likeitis 09-10-2009 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 676471)
You kinda make it people's business when you make wild public accusations. All the "SCUM" comments made how your contract is being willingly violated but then you won't show what parts. How can anyone be willingly violating it if they are never shown? It's a serious question. I don't think any union would want to violate the contract established by another union.

Republic is violating your contract on keeping airlines separate. They are violating our contract and the arbitrator's last decision on his view of the contract. The same arbitrator is ruling on this new grievance.

MD80 09-10-2009 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 676381)
You have anything to back that up or are you once again making things up on another's behalf?:rolleyes:


Duck, let's review...

Republic FO pay ...................$23/hr @75 hr/mo
Republic work rules................No trip guarantees, etc
Republic benefits....................my guess, OK at best
Republic retirement funding.......No DB or DC plan
Republic career advancement....None, until Midwest and Frontier

You're joking with me right? I was an regional FO and understand the program.


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