DASH 8 vs Citation X
09-24-2009 | 03:57 PM
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When was the last time you took your citation from 6000 down to a surface elevation of 900' inside of a 6 mile final. Mine was today since ELM approach left us high and dry so the Pinnacle Barbie Jet could land ahead of us.
Flaps 35 and Props Max and just floated home. oh and it was only leg four of a 4 leg day.
Flaps 35 and Props Max and just floated home. oh and it was only leg four of a 4 leg day.
A quick look at the math, I'm not trying to offend anyone here.
You lost 5100 feet in five miles.
Assuming that you fly at 140 knots (I don't know what you approach at in the Dash 8), that means you were descending at 2380 feet per minute all the way to the runway.
I am not trying to sound contemptuous here; we should stick to stabilized approaches no matter what venue we fly in..right?
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09-24-2009 | 04:02 PM
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So, if you are inside of six miles, I can reasonably assume you flew a five mile final.
You lost 5100 feet in five miles.
Assuming that you fly at 140 knots (I don't know what you approach at in the Dash 8), that means you were descending at 2380 feet per minute all the way to the runway.
I am not trying to sound contemptuous here; but why would you be bragging about this?
You lost 5100 feet in five miles.
Assuming that you fly at 140 knots (I don't know what you approach at in the Dash 8), that means you were descending at 2380 feet per minute all the way to the runway.
I am not trying to sound contemptuous here; but why would you be bragging about this?
09-24-2009 | 04:02 PM
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I dont know, do they? I assumed most dash 8s dont have liquor but maybe they do and if that is the case...I spoke foolishly! BTW This thread is immensely entertaining. I sit at home all day smelling my own farts because I only fly about 3 times per month. For this I thank you all.
09-24-2009 | 04:06 PM
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So, if you are inside of six miles, I can reasonably assume you flew a five mile final.
You lost 5100 feet in five miles.
Assuming that you fly at 140 knots (I don't know what you approach at in the Dash 8), that means you were descending at 2380 feet per minute all the way to the runway.
I am not trying to sound contemptuous here; but why would you be bragging about this?
You lost 5100 feet in five miles.
Assuming that you fly at 140 knots (I don't know what you approach at in the Dash 8), that means you were descending at 2380 feet per minute all the way to the runway.
I am not trying to sound contemptuous here; but why would you be bragging about this?
I don't think he is bragging, just showing that the Dash 8 was built to handle that kind of stuff and to be able to get into short runways. Granted a jet could not do that it does fly faster than a Dash 8. Duh...so what? I am in this industry to build my time and make what little money I can and if I can make over $31 an hour second year to fly a turboprop while my buddy flying a jet is pulling in $28...so be it.
09-24-2009 | 04:12 PM
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I have seen 6,000 feet in 5 miles. Slow to 120 kts and get the gear down, flaps to 35 and props to max and hold about 110 all the way down to the runway.
I don't think he is bragging, just showing that the Dash 8 was built to handle that kind of stuff and to be able to get into short runways. Granted a jet could not do that it does fly faster than a Dash 8. Duh...so what? I am in this industry to build my time and make what little money I can and if I can make over $31 an hour second year to fly a turboprop while my buddy flying a jet is pulling in $28...so be it.
I don't think he is bragging, just showing that the Dash 8 was built to handle that kind of stuff and to be able to get into short runways. Granted a jet could not do that it does fly faster than a Dash 8. Duh...so what? I am in this industry to build my time and make what little money I can and if I can make over $31 an hour second year to fly a turboprop while my buddy flying a jet is pulling in $28...so be it.
I fly a Sovereign, which gets in to short runways as well.
Sooner or later, you need to get to stabilized approach criteria.
What does pay have to do with that?
09-24-2009 | 04:23 PM
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And I thought pay had to do with everything in this industry.
09-24-2009 | 04:35 PM
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Q400 pilots: What kind of TAS can you get from that airplane at cruise? Somewhere between 320-350 knots? Just curious how much faster it is than the earlier Dashes.
09-24-2009 | 04:39 PM
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Who says it isn't stabilized within the proper requirements. You think we would do 2,500 feet per minute all the way to the runway? You think we are stupid? We still get stabilized by the proper AGL requirements (less than 1,000 feet per minute). At no time does the EGPWS go off requiring a go around.
And I thought pay had to do with everything in this industry.
And I thought pay had to do with everything in this industry.
There was one cogent idea on the table when I elected to participate in this discussion. I also declared my intent to not be contemptuous.
I was talking about stabilized approaches and mathematics of the aforementioned examples.
5100 feet/5 miles= 1020 ft/mile x 110 knots / 60 = 1870 feet per minute.
I never mentioned the word "stupid," you did. I never made an inference.
I never mentioned renumeration; you did.
Safety has "everything to do" in [our] industry...at least that is my viewpoint.
Fly safe, and I wish you the best with your aspirations.
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