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Old 06-19-2006 | 07:34 AM
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I guess it's only aviation if your flying or working for an airline then, huh? I would hope I would be a little more versatile than that...

Is the guy who wears the brown shorts and delivers packages in aviation or the delivery industry?? I don't understand your point.

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Old 06-19-2006 | 08:20 AM
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I grew up in the northwest and spent most of my 20's as an Alaskan bush pilot. To those who grew up in the shadow of the Eskimo and have seen the wonders of Alaska there are no substitutes. Alaska Airlines has bases and flies to places that I am excited about. Alaska Airlines has a mostly new fleet with cutting edge technology that is used to accommodate the most challenging airports and approaches. Rotting away over the ocean at 35,000 feet in the right seat of a 30 year old DC-10 for 8 hours just doesn't hold the same magic. I already flew for Horizon Air and not only did it blow but it almost assures that you will never be hired by Alaska Airlines.

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Old 06-19-2006 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
I guess it's only aviation if your flying or working for an airline then, huh? I would hope I would be a little more versatile than that...
You are only versatile if you have something else to fall back on. Most who get into this industry put all there eggs in one basket, so to speak. They live, eat, and breathe flying aircraft and have no training or experience in anything else.

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Old 06-19-2006 | 08:36 AM
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Why does AS not hire QX?

Alaska Airlines has a stigma against all Horizon Employees almost like a big brother little brother complex. In addition they have used hiring at Alaska Airlines as a tool to threaten the Horizon Pilots. Lastly for every pilot Alaska Airlines hires from Horizon they have to en cure the expense to train two, one as the new AS hire and another to replace the Horizon vacancy. During the time I was at Horizon Alaska Airlines hired 4 from little brother and 80 from Skywest. I had to get out.

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Old 06-19-2006 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Why does AS not hire QX?

Because the VAST majority of QX pilots are NOT former military which majors, like AS prefer.
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Old 06-19-2006 | 08:48 AM
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Because the VAST majority of QX pilots are NOT former military which majors, like AS prefer.

That is true as well. Also the like to hire firends and relatives first over all else so there really are few spots left for regular guys.

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Old 06-19-2006 | 09:09 AM
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So to get hired by a major airline, is it officially (or unofficially) a requirement that you have a Bachelor's degree?
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Old 06-19-2006 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
A guy I know a guy who changes the lightbulbs at an airport and earns 85K. To me even though these jobs are associated with aviation they really are not in the same insustry. An airport manager could also manage a factory or Dairy Queen. A maintenence tech could work at a dam or for the highway department. Just because a persons place of work is at the airport I don't think puts them in aviation.

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When did I ever say that working at an airport automatically included you in the aviation industry? I consider things such as airport manager, aviation consultant, airport operations, and pilots as a "professional" occupation (See the AIH Chp 8 for a definition of professional). If I could not fly, I would try to put myself in another professional occupation in the industry. As far as what you consider "in aviation" and what I consider, it doesn't really matter and has no bearing on the argument. You want to say that an airport manager isn't in the aviation industry...fine...but AAAE and the hundreds of airport managers around the country might disagree with you. And while an airport manager could go work at Dairy Queen...and manager for Dairy Queen could not just up and go run an airport. If you think they can, then you have very little knowledge as to exactly what that particular job and the training/experience required entails. But if you want to nit pick and go down the line of every job that has someone go near an airplane and determine if it's "in aviation" or not, then by all means...knock yourself out. But the people reading this thread might get a little bored...
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Old 06-19-2006 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by directbears
You are only versatile if you have something else to fall back on. Most who get into this industry put all there eggs in one basket, so to speak. They live, eat, and breathe flying aircraft and have no training or experience in anything else.
I couldn't agree with you more and it is a sad fact of life that some people do just that. SkyHigh just likes to argue that you can't make any money in aviation and it's a pointless endeavor for anyone to undertake...but he doesn't spell out what he considers in the aviation industry and what he doesn't. All he does is tell everyone how stupid it is to fly for a living. I don't consider flying as my only option in life and if unable, would move on to something else in what I would consider the aviation industry.
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Old 06-19-2006 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
When did I ever say that working at an airport automatically included you in the aviation industry? I consider things such as airport manager, aviation consultant, airport operations, and pilots as a "professional" occupation (See the AIH Chp 8 for a definition of professional). If I could not fly, I would try to put myself in another professional occupation in the industry. As far as what you consider "in aviation" and what I consider, it doesn't really matter and has no bearing on the argument. You want to say that an airport manager isn't in the aviation industry...fine...but AAAE and the hundreds of airport managers around the country might disagree with you. And while an airport manager could go work at Dairy Queen...and manager for Dairy Queen could not just up and go run an airport. If you think they can, then you have very little knowledge as to exactly what that particular job and the training/experience required entails. But if you want to nit pick and go down the line of every job that has someone go near an airplane and determine if it's "in aviation" or not, then by all means...knock yourself out. But the people reading this thread might get a little bored...
What I am saying is that pilot skills are not transferable to other careers. Most everything else is. I don't know what you are getting at but a pilot would not be considered as a strong applicant for an airport manager, grounds keeper, airport firefighter or anything else unless they had some other experience.


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