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Originally Posted by Golden Bear (Post 744358)

Perhaps if those of you who preceded us had minded the store as well as those who preceded you we would not be in this predicament.

I agree. The ball was set rolling long before my time... Which means now we've gotta figure a way out of this s__t spiral.

Guys like JoeMerchant and Pennenkamp dont exactly help the process either....

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 744361)

I agree. The ball was set rolling long before my time... Which means now we've gotta figure a way out of this s__t spiral.

There is only one cure, and it lies not in our hands but yours:

http://w7eed.files.wordpress.com/200...ash-canada.jpg

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Originally Posted by Golden Bear (Post 744373)

There is only one cure, and it lies not in our hands but yours:

http://w7eed.files.wordpress.com/200...ash-canada.jpg

I agree- but it's very simple answer that is actually a very complex issue and has gotten much worse thanks to 1113c... it's a matter of how to make the return of scope practical so that mgmt will go for it. They LOVE the whipsaw. Then you have guys like I mentioned that will fight tooth and nail from their end to try to not make it happen either out of sheer spite.

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We've got very "reasonable" rates for the CRJ-900 and mega jumble rumbler at mainline, and it would be cost viable... even with actually paying FO's a livable wage. The issue is how to negotiate to management for giving up that intangible benefit of pitting all the groups against each other.

Know what I mean?

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 744413)

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We've got very "reasonable" rates for the CRJ-900 and mega jumble rumbler at mainline, and it would be cost viable... even with actually paying FO's a livable wage. The issue is how to negotiate to management for giving up that intangible benefit of pitting all the groups against each other.

Know what I mean?

You absolutely do.... Its not AMAZING but its a lot better then what is out there currently. With that you add to it Jetblues rates on an E190 DAL would have a great chance of bettering their rates in the future on E190/CRJ900 aircraft (since right now if they ever came to DAL they are on the same scale). But how to recapture that scope is the question.

I do agree this is not a problem of those whom are currently flying for the regionals (or a majority of them). Most came after the damage was done and were not part of tearing things apart. But it does not help if those whom could assist in getting scope back in check, are not willing to because it might hurt their short term gain.... The inability to LOOK into the long term gain seems to always get ignored.... :(

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Originally Posted by USMC3197 (Post 744198)

..........REMEMBER Mesaba didn't grow as rapidly until Delta started to shrink Comair. You are picking a fight with the wrong Airline.

Wrong. Check your facts. Mesaba was awarded 5 -900's that were jerked around the whole delta connection system. I guess you are considering rapid growth those two garbage pile -200's that we use as spares.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 744361)

Don't blame the dogs for congregating, blame the ones dropping the scraps from the table for attracting them.

Wow meyers, wow. Getting a little unstable over there buddy. Calm down.

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Originally Posted by surreal1221 (Post 744475)

Wow meyers, wow. Getting a little unstable over there buddy. Calm down.

No just annoyed over this mentality of us regional pilots claiming that flying is "OURS." Hearing it at my company, hearing it at others, and again hearing it today with ASA and a few of your fellow pilots on here. I disagree totally. The flying belongs to the name that comes before connection/express and always will... :) But guess some just dont want to use basic logic to agree with that. 80% or what not we should want to have the flying back to Mainline is all I was saying... AND somehow a couple of your fellow co-workers twisted that all around and got it to a my crappy regional is better then yours blah blah blah.... :)

Oh well... Great news, I HOPE ASA gets this flying and gets their 80%!!!!

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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 744472)

Don't blame the dogs for congregating, blame the ones dropping the scraps from the table for attracting them.

I do blame the dogs that have the strong desire to keep congregating and will fight for the scraps to keep falling (like yourself).

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Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 744190)

Great point... Its a CRAPPY contract. I am not trying to compare MY CRAPPY regional to YOURS. Just point out the obvious that Mainline carriers should keep their flying and thus it would benefit us all. We know however it is one of those things you do not truley know the colors of until you work for the place.... The CRJ700/200 payscales are actually pretty close to those in the industry right now. But it is also a contract that was put together with rates for 2001 after the events of 9/11/2001. The fact that the rates are blended are a great thing for majority of the pilot group due to the fact if you fly the 200 (which we have the most of) you are getting a higher rate then you would if they were different pay rates.... But is flying a 700 for the rate of a 900 any different?

At the end of the day I would love our 700's to go to Mainline and be flown by them.... But that day probably wont ever happen.... So in the end perhaps a mute point. But I know that we are in contract talks and I for one will push for rates that are better then ASA and vote no on a TA that is anything less..... Much like this pilot group did when the 900's were offered with no pay raise... We said no and then RAH/MESA grew like mad.... But perhaps we should have just said yes to get flying and worry about the rates later huh? That would be smart? Oh wait no, no it wouldnt....

Lastly I believe Mesaba is still going to furlough more and will have more on the street.... I hope that is wrong and never happens but last I checked it appeared the Saabs were on the way out???

Only because I am curious. How can you say you hope mainline takes the 700 flying (and I assume the 900 flying)...and in the same post say you hope Mesaba doesn't end up furloughing any more?