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surreal1221 01-14-2010 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 744486)
No just annoyed over this mentality of us regional pilots claiming that flying is "OURS." Hearing it at my company, hearing it at others, and again hearing it today with ASA and a few of your fellow pilots on here. I disagree totally. The flying belongs to the name that comes before connection/express and always will... :) But guess some just dont want to use basic logic to agree with that. 80% or what not we should want to have the flying back to Mainline is all I was saying... AND somehow a couple of your fellow co-workers twisted that all around and got it to a my crappy regional is better then yours blah blah blah.... :)

Oh well... Great news, I HOPE ASA gets this flying and gets their 80%!!!!

You know there are regional lifers out there. Don't expect the ones that have decided to stay at a regional (for various reasons, all of which are not up for debate) to agree with sending their "jobs" back to mainline.

You and I may agree it all needs to get back, but that may ignore the reality of why we were spun off in the first place.

You know how people get man, especially round here. I wouldn't waste much more of your time man.

John Pennekamp 01-15-2010 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 744512)
I do blame the dogs that have the strong desire to keep congregating and will fight for the scraps to keep falling (like yourself).

You don't know me and know nothing about me.

Avroman 01-15-2010 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by cleared2land (Post 744519)
Only because I am curious. How can you say you hope mainline takes the 700 flying (and I assume the 900 flying)...and in the same post say you hope Mesaba doesn't end up furloughing any more?

Simple, staple the pilots along with the airplanes. No jobs lost, just a bunch of additional pilots on the mainline seniority list. Give me a mainline number and take the 900 back. Even if I then go back to the right seat, at least there it's a nearly livable wage. When I go back here I'll be having to bid around a second job again.

John Pennekamp 01-15-2010 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 744626)
Simple, staple the pilots along with the airplanes. No jobs lost, just a bunch of additional pilots on the mainline seniority list. Give me a mainline number and take the 900 back. Even if I then go back to the right seat, at least there it's a nearly livable wage. When I go back here I'll be having to bid around a second job again.

Ha Ha. That's what we thought when Delta bought us. Good luck with that.

gtechpilot 01-15-2010 04:20 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 744623)
You don't know me and know nothing about me.

You blasted furloughees from your own company for expressing unhappiness over the process and you consistently insult anyone on this forum who doesn't fully agree with your position. How else did you want to be known?

meyers9163 01-15-2010 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by cleared2land (Post 744519)
Only because I am curious. How can you say you hope mainline takes the 700 flying (and I assume the 900 flying)...and in the same post say you hope Mesaba doesn't end up furloughing any more?

That had to do with the person whom posted that ASA currently has more furloughs the XJ. I was just trying to point out that Mesaba still has FURLOUGHS coming when more Saabs are being parked here soon. And thus there are other companies whom are hurting far worse then even ASA such as Mesaba, Comair, Xjet etc etc...... It was different from my desire for the Majors to recapture their scope and get the flying back... Sorry for the confussion.

Lighteningspeed 01-15-2010 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 744669)
That had to do with the person whom posted that ASA currently has more furloughs the XJ. I was just trying to point out that Mesaba still has FURLOUGHS coming when more Saabs are being parked here soon. And thus there are other companies whom are hurting far worse then even ASA such as Mesaba, Comair, Xjet etc etc...... It was different from my desire for the Majors to recapture their scope and get the flying back... Sorry for the confussion.

+1. I agree 100%. Mesaba will be losing all 48 Saabs in the next couple of years and that means roughly 480 pilots will be furloughed during the same period. Mesaba has already furloughed over 150 pilots and is continuing to furlough pilots even as we speak.

We should not be squabbling over who gets what scrap thrown by slave masters. In the long run, DAL changes its mind on a daily basis, so it's a complete waste of time trying to predict what DAL management will do next, unless you are privy to the RA inner circle of overpaid greedy executives.

I agree that all DAL flying should go back to the mainline. I also agree with Avroman that the solution is simple. Just staple all Mesaba, Comair, Compass pilots along with CRJ9 flying to DAL. But like 80kts said, how do we present a convincing argument to the DAL management that stapling would make business sense.

cleared2land 01-15-2010 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 744669)
That had to do with the person whom posted that ASA currently has more furloughs the XJ. I was just trying to point out that Mesaba still has FURLOUGHS coming when more Saabs are being parked here soon. And thus there are other companies whom are hurting far worse then even ASA such as Mesaba, Comair, Xjet etc etc...... It was different from my desire for the Majors to recapture their scope and get the flying back... Sorry for the confusion.

I personally don't think (nor hope) scope will ever be recaptured. I believe it will only increase with the advent of the CRJ-1000.

I would hate to see the (mainline) airline pilot world price itself out of a job just like the automakers by making way too much for the product they produced.

cleared2land 01-15-2010 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 744681)
+
I agree that all DAL flying should go back to the mainline. I also agree with Avroman that the solution is simple. Just staple all Mesaba, Comair, Compass pilots along with CRJ9 flying to DAL. .

Now this is a scope recapture that I could agree with.:)

John Pennekamp 01-15-2010 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by gtechpilot (Post 744636)
You blasted furloughees from your own company for expressing unhappiness over the process and you consistently insult anyone on this forum who doesn't fully agree with your position. How else did you want to be known?

*yawn*

No, I blasted you for constantly whining about it and blaming others. Just you. And you are NOT representative of the other furloughees I have contact with, since they seem to refrain from constantly whining about it. I was involved with setting up the private fund, which is currently helping the new furloughees who were excluded from the union check. So quit running your mouth since you have no idea what you're talking about, as usual.

Speaking of which, 80 clamp is referring to the RJDC/DALPA issue which you probably haven't been around long enough to understand. He is mistakenly lumping me in with Joe Merchant as one of the "regional lifers" who "sued the union over scope", none of which is true.

As for insults... hello pot, meet the kettle.


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