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Old 03-05-2010, 07:02 PM
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Wow a facebook group.I swear you guys are the weakest....writing letters and believing that they will be taken seriously. Some fat cat senator is gonna be sitting in his $1500 dollar leather office chair, slicing open letters with a gold mail opener, and is going to toss that paper in the can.
Wow, you're so naiive! Don't you know Senators have staff to open and toss their mail for them!

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In all seriousness, a lot of folks in Washington see that a storm is brewing in November. It has the potential to impact the Democrats most, but in reality it's pretty much an anti-incumbent storm. You can bet these folks are paying more attention to their mail than they've paid in a while. Being a congresscritter is a pretty good life and few want to give it up.
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Old 03-05-2010, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadyToGo View Post
Wow a facebook group.I swear you guys are the weakest....writing letters and believing that they will be taken seriously. Some fat cat senator is gonna be sitting in his $1500 dollar leather office chair, slicing open letters with a gold mail opener, and is going to toss that paper in the can.

We need to unite people!

Alright. What have YOU done to UNITE people? Instead of getting on here and criticizing people for their efforts (excellent ones, I believe), what do YOU suggest that we do instead of writing senators and forming groups on social networking sites?

Let's hear your brilliant suggestions.
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Old 03-05-2010, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Positive_Rate View Post
Alright. What have YOU done to UNITE people? Instead of getting on here and criticizing people for their efforts (excellent ones, I believe), what do YOU suggest that we do instead of writing senators and forming groups on social networking sites?

Let's hear your brilliant suggestions.
He says he's the leader of some secret society that knows a secret we dont know....guess we'll {(effin contractions) sorry inside joke} just have to see what he has to offer... If you want the inside joke read this thread gem...http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...nt-living.html
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:07 PM
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ALPA Voices Adamant Opposition to Cockpit Voice Recorder Monitoring
ALPA Members Can Help


March 2, 2010 - ALPA this week voiced its intense opposition to proposals to monitor cockpit voice recorders to the traveling public, federal regulators, and Capitol Hill.

In a USA Today “Opposing View” opinion piece, Capt. John Prater made it clear that monitoring conversations in the cockpit for any reason other than accident investigation would fail to produce accurate safety information. Prater also expressed the serious concern that monitoring would suppress pilot communications and jeopardize the information and resources that make proven proactive nonpunitive safety reporting programs successful in preventing accidents.

On February 26, ALPA issued a news release expressing staunch opposition to legislation introduced by Sen. Jim DeMint that would misuse cockpit voice and flight data recorder information for discipline. “The DeMint proposal will threaten aviation safety, compromise the accident investigation process, and squander financial resources that could make proven aviation safety programs even more effective,” said Prater. “We will use every tool at our disposal to prevent this from becoming law.”

ALPA members are strongly encouraged to contact their U.S. senators through the Association’s new Call to Action to express opposition to this misguided monitoring proposal. Click here to take action now! Please make your voice heard today!
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Old 03-08-2010, 01:49 PM
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I asked friends to write and oppose this bill. One asked me to explain why whistle blower laws wont protect us. She asked this so she could form a more convincing letter. Any thoughts on how we should respond when people claim whistle blower laws would protect us? I don't want CVR's monitored but I want as much ammo as I can to fight this.
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:00 PM
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Here is a nice template:
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:04 PM
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S. 3048 specifically sets aside all other laws that would prohibit management from using CVR and FDR data against you. It also specifically invalidates any contractual language which would prohibit management from using that data either.

So state or federal wiretapping laws would also be void in the cockpit. Hows that for a talking point? - Mobsters, Murderers, and Child Predators have more rights than Pilots do!
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:40 PM
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I think their may be alot of pulled CVR circuit breakers, then let the SOBs try to figure out what happened.
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Old 03-09-2010, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
ALPA members are strongly encouraged to contact their U.S. senators through the Association’s new Call to Action to express opposition to this misguided monitoring proposal. Click here to take action now! Please make your voice heard today!
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Thanks for the links, guys.
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Old 03-09-2010, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lear 31 pilot View Post
I think their may be alot of pulled CVR circuit breakers, then let the SOBs try to figure out what happened.

The bill provides for pretty severe penalties if you get caught. I can't remember where it is in there, but some jail time and multiple thousands of dollars. I think a gap in the time from one flight to another one would tell whoever is listening that the CB was pulled. It needs to be fought in Congress, not in the cockpit.
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