Deal made on hours of training for co-pilots
03-15-2010, 09:25 AM
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Chuck Shumer and Judy Garland
“We don’t want to have people coming right out of flight schools and right to the commercial airlines,” Kuwik said. “They’re going to have to do something else first. Their entry- level job is not going to be as a commercial airline pilot.” ..........Buffalo News
So, get 800 hours, click your ruby slippers three times, saying, there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home........................
I hope congress wakes up!!!
1500 should be mandatory!!
We're not in Kansas anymore...........
So, get 800 hours, click your ruby slippers three times, saying, there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home........................
I hope congress wakes up!!!
1500 should be mandatory!!
We're not in Kansas anymore...........
03-15-2010, 10:03 AM
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In the context of a fatigued crew, a captain with a dismal training record, a inexperienced first officer, non standard sop.... the evidence does not favor the captain having the ability to conclude that a tail stall was occurring. My bets are on that he felt to close to the ground and held the yoke trying to milk the altitude. The simplest answer is usually the right answer. This tail stall recover procedure doesn't pass muster
03-15-2010, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The reality is that people will need to get their ice time while employed by someone operating a certified airplane. Few people will be able to afford to just buy such time...and few FIKI airplanes are even available to rent.
That where I see the unintended benefit of this...it will force many folks to CFI to get a 135 job to build experience for the airlines.
That where I see the unintended benefit of this...it will force many folks to CFI to get a 135 job to build experience for the airlines.
Organizations like the RAA will continue to work hard at ensuring the barriers to entry for this profession are suitably low.
03-15-2010, 11:31 AM
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It is pure foolery to think that this 800 hour business will expand 135, or 91 Flight Training in any way. These 800 hours sound like 800 hours with plenty of strings attached. It will reduce the eventual supply of available FOs, and I think it's designed to. This regulation is Multi-Crew, Act One.
Here's what I think the eventual regulation will look like:
(i) 800 hours of rigorous experience, including
- insert absolutely ridiculous amounts of multi-pilot experience/icing/IFR/turbine time, or
(ii) a multi-engine ATP, or
(iii) Completion of an approved MPL course provided by a part 121 air carrier or part 142 training center.
Sound about right?
Here's what I think the eventual regulation will look like:
(i) 800 hours of rigorous experience, including
- insert absolutely ridiculous amounts of multi-pilot experience/icing/IFR/turbine time, or
(ii) a multi-engine ATP, or
(iii) Completion of an approved MPL course provided by a part 121 air carrier or part 142 training center.
Sound about right?
Last edited by Gchamp3; 03-15-2010 at 11:48 AM.
03-15-2010, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Flaps50
This 800 hour thing is just putting lipstick on a pig IMO. The regional airlines will just hire 800 hour pilots and add a couple sims to the beginning of the training process that fulfill the multicrew/Icing requirement on the books then enter the candidate into the normal training process a week later. No change and business as usual, just an 800 hour wonder instead of a 300 hour wonder.
A 300 hour wonder has little, if any, flying experience outside of an instructional environment. They will have to fly for about a year somewhere to gain that experience and this will improve them as pilots.
Originally Posted by Flaps50
Remember back in the 90's you still needed 1500+- to even be looked at so we are still well below what it used to be.
03-15-2010, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by exerauflyboy5
Should have required prior 135 and/or CFI time in order to sit right seat 121,
800hrs??????, they couldn't get at least 1000hrs at least huh? Some fat cat rolled over on that one.
800hrs??????, they couldn't get at least 1000hrs at least huh? Some fat cat rolled over on that one.
As for some fat cat rolling over......someone compromised for sure
But in the end, something is better than what was in place before but I would have liked to have seen more in my opinion.USMCFLYR
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